Will the Rebel Flag finally move In South Carolina?

America’s most diverse statewide leadership is in South Carolina. The Senators are two men, one black and one white. The governor is a woman of Asian Indian descent. Incidentally, all of them are Republicans. Yet some try to paint the state as some Bastian of racism because of its history and the fact that it still takes pride in valor of its Southern past. It was the fire eater state that spread flames of disunity which almost split the nation forever and plunged us into civil war. Racism has been a stain upon the state. Roof tried to tap into that to start a new race war. Instead, everyone sees the new South Carolina. It is imperfect, but we see thousands of people of all ethnicities standing together in love and unity.

Governor Nikki Haley kicked off the movement when she gathered leaders all across the state to join her in this statement. Leave it to a woman to show the strength that men haven’t been able to muster.

“The murderer, now locked up in Charleston, said he hoped his actions would start a race war. We have an opportunity to show him not only was he wrong, but just the opposite is happening,” she said. “My hope is that by removing a symbol that divides us we can move forward as a state in harmony and we can honor the nine blessed souls who are now in heaven.”

I hope the state legislature agrees. Regardless of whether or not the flag takes up different residence, we can all see that the state is different in more important ways. Look at how the state reacted to vicious shooting by the police officer of a fleeing unarmed man. It was unequivocal and an example to other jurisdictions. It may have a way to go, but has any state come so far so quickly? Now that this little symbolic distraction is headed for resolution, maybe we can deal with real problems that affect people’s lives. I admit symbols matter, but we often use them to avoid real issues. Governor Haley has enabled us to have a real discussion and look at the reality on the ground.

13 thoughts on “Will the Rebel Flag finally move In South Carolina?”

  1. Well what we need is an honest conversation about the Confederate flag. (Notice how liberals always say we need to have an honest conversation, as long as they are closed-minded and won’t listen to reality or truth.)

    As I think about it, the most important factors about the Confederate flag (even though I hear it is not actually the flag of the Confederacy after all), are:

    — The flag is from a country that no longer exists

    — The flag is from a country at which the United States of America was at war

    — The flag is from a country that the USA defeated

    — Some of the States of the USA decided to form a separate country. There was some disagreement about that, and there was a war over it.

    So, should a government facility or building, much less the capitol, fly the flag of a foreign country that no longer exists, which the USA defeated in a war?

    Normally, a government building would not fly the flag of any foreign country, unless to honor a visiting dignitary.

    But of course the biggest problem after the Civil War was trying to re-unify the country. So if that meant flying the Confederate flag to try to bridge the gap and bring everyone together again, we can understand that.

    I thought liberals were all about bridging gaps and bringing people together?

    Apparently not.

    As radio talk show host Chris Plante says on WMAL “If liberals didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.”

    So I don’t see what sense it makes for any State government to fly a Confederate flag.

    But the one thing we should never do is reward people for throwing a temper tantrum.

    And don’t forget that the Confederacy were all Democrats, as were the members and founders of the KKK.

    So how about this? How about if we take down the Confederate flag when Blacks start voting for the party that defeated the Confederacy on the battle field?

  2. I say take the flag down when blacks stop calling white men who had ancestors fight in one of the bloodiest wars in history “racists.”

    While we’re at it, let’s disband the racist “La Raza” ( The Race), the racist NAACP and most particularly, the taxpayers-funded, racist, Congressional BLACK Caucus.

  3. Always good to see racists defending themselves.

    Why are you an anti-white racist?

    Some “racist comments” from the F.B.I. (2011 data)

    BLACKS (who represent 13% of the population) commit the following percentage of these violent crimes:

    Murder 49.7
    Rape 32.9
    Weapons violations 40.3
    Armed robbery 55.6

    Why do BLACK people commit so many crimes?

    You go ahead and ban a flag from a conflict that ended 150 years ago. While you’re at it, ban BLACK men (who commit an extraordinarily disproportionate amount of violent crime in America) from ever owning a gun TODAY.

    Or, are you a racist who supports BLACK criminality?

  4. An interesting perspective from another website:

    http://thewilderness.me/red-flag/

    “As Charleston marched in unity at sunset on Sunday night, two things were conspicuously missing. One was the progressive paid-agitation mob, normally so prevalent whenever an eager media trains its cameras on torched buildings and tear gas. The other was Barack Obama, who was golfing on the other side of the country and nowhere to be found. Just days earlier, an unthinkable act of racial terror had ripped the city apart and frayed the fabric of the nation: nine African-American members of the historic Emanuel A.M.E. Church were gunned down in a Bible study group by a white supremacist with yet another creepy bowl haircut. The dead included three pastors, one of which was noted State Senator Clementa Pinckney. Due to the time of night when the crime occurred, very few details initially emerged concerning the crime or its particulars.

    But, to a narrative-happy media approaching another critical election year, it didn’t matter.”

  5. Rick June 24, 2015 at 09:38 “I say take the flag down when blacks stop calling white men who had ancestors fight in one of the bloodiest wars in history “racists.” ”

    Everyone has an absolute right to display the Confederate flag in any area of life any way they want, and any race baiter who wants to steal the First Amendment rights of another person should be ignored.

    But would the State Capitol of Louisiana — the official seat of government — fly the flag of France? No, of course not.

    Why should the State Capitol of South Carolina fly the Confederate flag, the flag of a foreign country that no longer exists?

    Russia sold Alaska to the USA. Does the State Capitol of Alaska fly the flag of Russia? No, of course not.

    Do the government buildings of Puerto Rico fly the flag of Spain?

    So, I do think we should move the Confederate flag to the museum as a part of history, but not fly it at a governmental building.

    But I also think that we should laugh in the face of anyone who tries to bully us and threaten us and terrorize us into doing what they want just because they are obnoxious.

  6. But would the State Capitol of Louisiana — the official seat of government — fly the flag of France? No, of course not.

    No. France still exists as a sovereign nation.

    Why should the State Capitol of South Carolina fly the Confederate flag, the flag of a foreign country that no longer exists?

    If it no longer exists, then it’s not a “foreign country.” It is however, a part of the Southerner’s heritage.

    Jefferson and Washington had slaves. So what’s next, naming Washington D.C. “Kingtown?” Should the Jefferson Memorial become the “Harriet Tubman Memorial?” Maybe the Washington Monument can be re-named the “NAACP Obelisk?”

    The left uses racism as a vehicle to dismantle our heritage. Since the South generally (correctly) distrusts big government, the Rebel flag is a finger in the eye of 21st Century oppressors. And if it keeps going the way it is, big-government leftists may have more to deal with than flags.

    Sic Sempter Tyrannis

  7. Mr. Moseley, you are a fellow UVA grad, correct? Surely you are familiar with the motto on the Virginia State Flag.

    EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT.RICHMOND, Va., April 16, 1861.

    HON. SIMON CAMERON, Secretary of War:

    SIR: I received your telegram of the 15th, the genuineness of which I doubted. Since that time (have received your communication, mailed the same day, in which I am requested to detach from the militia of the State of Virginia “the quota designated in a table,” which you append, “to serve as infantry or riflemen for the period of three months, unless sooner discharged.”

    In reply to this communication, I have only to say that the militia of Virginia will not be furnished to the powers at Washington for any such use or purpose as they have in view. Your object is to subjugate the Southern States, and a requisition made upon me for such an object — an object, in my judgment, not within the purview of the Constitution or the act of 1795 — will not be complied with. You have chosen to inaugurate civil war, and having done so, we will meet it in a spirit as determined as the Administration has exhibited towards the South. Respectfully,

    JOHN LETCHER.

    SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

  8. Rick June 25, 2015 at 09:22 “If it no longer exists, then it’s not a “foreign country.” It is however, a part of the Southerner’s heritage”

    I agree it is part of a Southerner’s heritage or at least history. perhaps heritage is too strong — or at least too vague — of a word. But it is certainly part of the South’s history.

    And I think absolutely anyone who wants to display the Confederate flag any time, any place, any way they want should have every right to do so. That’s a private act of free expression.

    And we should never cave to people throwing a temper tantrum. The way to deal with temper tantrums is to let people cry themselves out and wear themselves out and just ignore them.

    But the question is whether the official seat of government of the State of South Carolina should fly the Confederate flag.

    Yes, it is part of history. Lots of things are part of history. But that does not mean it should be flown at an official, governmental capitol.

    Charleston and most of South Carolina were once under the occupation of Great Britain. That is part of history. But we wouldn’t see the flag of occupation by King George flying at the South Carolina Capitol building.

    Point is: Just because something is part of history doesn’t mean it should fly at the official governmental Capitol of the State.

  9. Point is: Just because something is part of history doesn’t mean it should fly at the official governmental Capitol of the State.

    Well, you have no point, but I assume you believe that Virginia must change its flag and motto. After all;

    EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT.RICHMOND, Va., April 16, 1861.

    HON. SIMON CAMERON, Secretary of War:

    SIR: I received your telegram of the 15th, the genuineness of which I doubted. Since that time I have received your communication, mailed the same day, in which I am requested to detach from the militia of the State of Virginia “the quota designated in a table,” which you append, “to serve as infantry or riflemen for the period of three months, unless sooner discharged.”

    In reply to this communication, I have only to say that the militia of Virginia will not be furnished to the powers at Washington for any such use or purpose as they have in view. Your object is to subjugate the Southern States, and a requisition made upon me for such an object — an object, in my judgment, not within the purview of the Constitution or the act of 1795 — will not be complied with. You have chosen to inaugurate civil war, and having done so, we will meet it in a spirit as determined as the Administration has exhibited towards the South. Respectfully,

    JOHN LETCHER.

    SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

    Letcher was a duly elected governor of the Commonwealth and obviously a “racist.” The flag and motto must go.

    While we’re at it, let’s ban the racist American flag.

    Jefferson and Washington had slaves. Their memorials must go.

    And remember, none of this has anything to do with Charleston. The Left never lets an opportunity to divide and destroy go to waste, and you fall for it as usual.

  10. Rick, 7 Democrat Presidents of the United States were slave owners, according Mark Levin’s recount of other reports of the history of the Democrat Party.

    They served under the American flag — the stars and bars — while owning slaves. Yes, they were racists serving under the US flag.

    I agree we should not allow the temper tantrums of a*#@#$es to dictate our behavior or policies.

    But t just strikes me that there an argument for not flying the Confederate flag at an official state capitol.

    Not because our history has to be perfect, which will never be true of any country anywhere ever.

    But because it is not the flag of this country or any country that actually exists.

    If you want to put up a Confederate flag 20 feet by 30 feet on the side of your house, I will bring the lemonade and a hammer. Do what you want personally and privately.

    But the specific issue is whether the STATE CAPITOL BUILDING should fly a flag — ANY FLAG IMHO — that is not the flag of either the State or the nation.

    When I walked around the country of Latvia, I noticed and found it striking that buildings al over the place were flying a different flag. That brought it home for me: “Wow. I am actually in a different country.”

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