Will Democrats Cause A Government Shutdown, Then Blame Republicans

House Republicans passed a bill that would defund Obamacare (Affordable Care Act) but would allocate funds to keep government running. How then, if Senate Democrats defeat this bill could the House Republicans be blamed for the democratic negative vote that would cause a government shutdown. This is typical logic for the Obama Administration. He wants his cake and eat it too.

What is so affordable about the Affordable Care act. Unions, Businesses, citizens, doctors and yes, even democrats are joining the fray against Obamacare. What does the Obama Administration not understand about an overwhelming vote in the House to defund Obamacare.

When all is said and done, the question is: Will the House Republicans hold the line and force the Democrats to accept their mistake, or will they break ranks and fold like an old beach chair on a sandy beach? I applaud Sen. Cruz’ unofficial filibuster and wish the Republican Party had more like him but unfortunately they don’t.

If the Republicans hold the line and refuse to budge, The Obama Administration will get the blame and pay for it in the 2016 elections. It has been made excruciatingly clear that the American people do not want the unAffordable Care Act.

79 thoughts on “Will Democrats Cause A Government Shutdown, Then Blame Republicans”

  1. It is hard to say who will get the blame, the press are stenographers for Obama and seldom report facts or substance.

    Still, the ACA is indeed unraveling, ask Sen Max Baucus of MT.

  2. Mike
    I’ve been secretly praying they won’t fold. It would almost be too good to be true. It wouldn’t restore my faith in the republican party, but it sure would be America’s good fortune.

  3. The latest news of this “unraveling” law is that the premiums are coming in lower than expected.

    The Republicans will be blamed for the government shutdown because it is Republicans who are threatening to shut down the government. Just because the people on this blog can’t see reality doesn’t mean the rest of the country agrees.

    It’s not only going to go into effect, it’s going to work, and it’s going to be the final nail in the coffin of conservativism.

  4. The reality of this situation still remains that the House Republicans wrote a bill that would defund Obamacare and keep the government funded, while Senator Reid and his PAC-O-Marxists are sniveling, whining and attempting to throw this one on the Republicans. If this bill is defeated and goes back to the House and the Republicans don’t hold the line, they will be defeated in 2014.
    The fact is, it will be the Senate Democrats that will have shut down the government. While they’re at it, could they defund Obama’s salary and golf trips too.
    He can’t play golf worth a crap!

  5. The fact is that everyone can see through that ruse. The government was not designed by the Founders to be run by the party that holds only the House of Representatives.

  6. As this issue breaks in the next week, everyone will see which are the true patriots and which are the weak kneed cowards. It takes true grit to govern a nation as great as America and it has become apparent that many Republicans in the Senate don’t possess a lick of what it takes to govern a nation. It is quite clear that the House and Senate Democrats don’t have America’s best interests at heart. (Too busy lining their pockets)
    The two-party system has been corrupt for quite a while and needs a refreshing change!!

  7. “Bullcrap.”

    No, I’m afraid not. Polling shows 80% of Americans do not want a government shutdown over Obamacare, and that they will overwhelmingly blame Republicans for it if one occurs.

  8. Nobody
    “No, I’m afraid not. Polling shows 80% of Americans do not want a government shutdown over Obamacare, and that they will overwhelmingly blame Republicans for it if one occurs.”

    That’s why the Dems are forcing this one to the limit. They want the government to shut down so they can blame it on their adversaries. If the House Republicans hold the line, this will backfire on the Dems and kill their chances in 2014 and 2016.
    Nobody, I know who you are and I also know you wouldn’t be arguing this point with me if you thought you were right.

  9. How are Democrats pushing something to the limit? Republicans don’t have the votes to get their way on this, but insist on holding the budget and/or debt limit hostage to try to get their way.

    Anyone with eyes and ears can see and hear which side is making demands and which one isn’t. Democrats are sitting back eating popcorn while Republicans eat their own.

    Why you think this is my fault is anyone’s guess, as is why I would argue the point if I agreed with you about it.

  10. Obamacare will never work as touted. Everyone who pays into it is going to get screwed. The only beneficiaries are those who will be getting free health care. Even at that, a large group of citizens remains uninsured. The GOP are tactless idiots. Everyone agrees that there needs to be health care reform. Most agree that Obamacare stinks. It’s been four years GOP. If you don’t like this plan, where’s yours? Someone with half a brain and a modicum of leadership skills could own this issue with a counterproposal to Obamacare. That’s asking a lot out of DC.

  11. The government was not designed by the Founders to be run by the party that holds only the House of Representatives.

    The Founders also did not want a government that enacts laws that it has no constitutional authority to do without an amendment to the Constitution. To wit:

    Congress’s legislative powers are enumerated in Section Eight:

    The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
    To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;
    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    To provide and maintain a Navy;
    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

    The FCC, Dept. of Energy and so on are all unconstitutional, in that Congress had no authority to create them. Legally, only through the amendment process (3/4 state legislatures) should these entities exist, by being added to Section 8.

    Of course, most Americans let jurists tell them what words mean, so the government can now do virtually anything.

  12. “Of course, most Americans let jurists tell them what words mean, so the government can now do virtually anything.”

    Uh-oh. Are you going sovereign citizen on us?

  13. “The FCC, Dept. of Energy and so on are all unconstitutional”

    So is the Air Force. The Constitution only refers to Armies and a Navy.

  14. “DonAyotte on September 26, 2013 at 06:38 said:

    Bullcrap”

    Don, it is good to see that you have started posting executive summaries of your posts.

  15. “I’ve been secretly praying…”

    The thing is, Don, in order to do something “secretly”, you can’t tell anyone about it.

  16. Okay, but seriously, Don, can you explain something to stupid old me?

    The next elections are in 2014, and enough Senate seats are up to elect a Republican majority.

    The health care exchange marketplaces go into effect next week.

    So, between now and the next Congress convening in January 2015, we have a year and two months.

    Wouldn’t it be simpler to let Obamacare take effect, and then, since it will be so awful, and people will suffer so badly, they will turn out in droves to elect a Congress in 2014 that will just flat-out repeal it?

    But I do agree with you on one thing, Obama doesn’t have a good chance of winning the 2016 election. You can bank on that one.

  17. Hey Nit

    “Okay, but seriously, Don, can you explain something to stupid old me?”

    I agree with that statement. You are now commenting in the realm of politics and I didn’t think you had America’s best interests in you agenda. Yes,self deprecating sarcasm becomes you. You must keep it up to prove your intelligence.

  18. Nitpicker on September 26, 2013 at 16:12 said: “The next elections are in 2014, and enough Senate seats are up to elect a Republican majority. The health care exchange marketplaces go into effect next week. So, between now and the next Congress convening in January 2015, we have a year and two months. Wouldn’t it be simpler to let Obamacare take effect, and then, since it will be so awful, and people will suffer so badly, they will turn out in droves to elect a Congress in 2014 that will just flat-out repeal it?”

    Well, Nitpicker, allow me to nitpick:

    There are two possibilities:

    A) The public blames all politicians, Republican and Democrat alike, for the disaster.

    In that case, it will have no effect on the election, won’t you agree?

    If the voters think that “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats”…

    …. then how would the Obama Care train wreck cause voters to choose one party over the other in the 2014 election?

    b) Republicans force Democrats to “own” Obama Care and repeatedly, clearly, strongly, and loudly make sure EVERYONE knows that ObamaCare is 100% a Democrat disaster and 0% a Republican problem.

    In that case, would you not agree Nitpicker, that the Obama Care train wreck will be an electoral disaster for Democrats…

    … but ONLY if voters perceive that Republicans tried to stop it?

    THEREFORE….

    would you not agree, Nitpicker, that

    1) Democrats have been desperately trying to dupe and seduce gullible Republicans into sharing the blame with them,

    2) Conservative Republicans (also known as SMART people) have been trying to avoid the trap that Democrats keep trying to get Republicans to jump in to, and

    3) Republican establishment and insider types (also known as gullible silly people) keep straining to jump into the trap like lemmings stampeding off the cliff.

  19. But, you may then ask, why would Democrats want to push a program that voters would “blame” anyone for?

    Because Democrats * don’t give a damn about the voters or what the voters want, except in terms of deceiving the voters and getting away with as much as they can.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    * NOTE: Democrats of today are totally different from Democrats traditionally in America. The “New Left” set out to hijack the Democrat Party, the media, and the colleges and universities in the 1960′s. As a result, the Democrat Party of today “under new management” has almost nothing to do with the Democrat Party of the past, such as JFK.

    John F. Kennedy could never get elected to anything in today’s Democrat Party. JFK would be a Republican in the politics of today.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Democrats want to expand government and government power with policies, programs, and actions that they can only get away with by DECEIVING the voters.

    Therefore, Democrats desperately need to dupe the GOP into sharing the blame with them.

    And Republicans urgently need to avoid being tarnished with Democrat claptrap and signal to the voters that the disasters are 100% the fault of the Democrat Party.

    This is why Democrats so desperately want to fool gullible Republicans into “compromise” and conservative Republicans (that is, Republicans who have brains) try to avoid being smeared and slimed by compromising with Democrats.

  20. Obamacare has unraveled. Delays, missed deadlines and INCREASED premiums. The Democrats own this POS.

  21. Wishing won’t make it so, Mr. Protack. Premiums have come in lower than expected for 94% of the populace.

  22. The fact is that the Democrats own the Unaffordable Health Care Deform Act and we just reminded them. Should the Republicans hold the line if the Senate Dems vote to fund it? No. Considering most of the bill is beyond the CR, it just won’t accomplish the task without a partner. What it does do is put everyone on record. That is valuable because it makes the elections matter Besides, the fall back could be to delay it year then kick it back. Everyone knows that it is not a question of if but when the government will be funded.

    From a political perspective, I would rather let it go into effect while it is so disorganized. It would then give public outcry that may actually allow this disaster to be repealed. President Obama only needs 1/3 plus 1 of one house to sustain a veto.. He won’t lose that right now.

    What I would do is pass a free market replacement that gives universal access and reforms public health care to something more patient centered.

  23. I love how Moseley thinks it takes some kind of effort to get the public to associate something popularly known as “Obamacare” with Democrats.

  24. I love how they’re so confident that it’s a disaster.

    The problem with predicting disaster is that it sets certain expectations. If Obamacare proves to be problematic but not disastrously so, the people who predicted disaster lose credibility.

    Most predictions of disaster never come to pass.

  25. David
    The general consensus on Foxnews agrees with your perspective. They would let the Affordable Care Act go into affect and wait for the fallout that is sure to come.
    I believe that Americans would be seriously hurt if this were to happen.
    It looks like it is six of one, and a half-dozen of the other.
    ACA is a nasty piece of work that will destroy the American economy.

  26. It would, but the people voted for these guys so they asked for it to be implemented. We know it is a bad thing, but don’t have the votes. What is the answer? Be ready to rescue the people with a solution.

  27. “We know it is a bad thing.”

    Really? How? Because it’s been such a failure in Massachusetts? Or because premiums are turning out to be lower than initially expected?

  28. David
    You’re right, nobody has offered a solution from any party, so maybe the Republicans should come up with a good alternative. ACA will absolutely wreck the country.

  29. “ACA will absolutely wreck the country.”

    Really? Which countries have been wrecked so far by universal health care?

  30. It is easy to predict that Obama Care will be a train wreck, when it already is happening.

    1) Insurance premiums are coming in at 200% to 390% for next year compared with what people are paying today, depending on the State and the demographics of the insured.

    2) Hundreds of thousands of people are losing their full-time jobs and getting downgraded to part-time.

    Nancy Pelosi tried to argue why it is a good thing that people are losing their full-time jobs and getting part-time jobs instead. Nancy Pelosi: “Let them eat cake.”

    3) Hundreds of thousands of dollars are losing their employer-provided health care.

    4) The viability of Obama Care REQUIRES — yes REQUIRES — large numbers of millions of young people who voted for Democrats to GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING to inexplicably pay for insurance and to pay MORE than they could have gotten insurance for before.

    There is no way that the “something for nothing” demographic is going to sign up to pay for very expensive health insurance.

    As a result, the insurance funds will collapse, for lack of money.

    5) When voters go to the exchanges, they will see for themselves that the insurance premiums are double or triple what they were paying previously.

    This “sticker shock” will be visible to the average person, unfiltered by the lying liberal news media.

    People will see for themselves that they have been lied to.

    And they will see that the Republicans were fighting to save them.

  31. Nancy Pelosi: “Let them eat cake.”

    Was she reading JJ Rousseau? Strange that she’d quote him in a healthcare debate.

  32. Falcor
    Pelosi would quote anything or anybody to remain in the spotlight. She is a major feces-stain on the face of America.

  33. So what you’re saying is that America the Exceptional cannot manage to do what every other industrialized nation does. Quite the endorsement of America.

  34. “Falcor
    Pelosi would quote anything or anybody to remain in the spotlight. She is a major feces-stain on the face of America.”

    That flew right over your head.

  35. Actually Falcor
    I’ve read Rousseau. I took “Currents in Political Theory,” at the U of D. I even have a copy of some of his work in my personal library. I got every word of it but just don’t like Pelosi.

  36. Don’t like is an understatement. Blind, irrational hatred is probably a better term for you crazy ramblings.

  37. Nobody on September 28, 2013 at 08:19 said: “So what you’re saying is that America the Exceptional cannot manage to do what every other industrialized nation does. Quite the endorsement of America.”

    No, BARACK OBAMA cannot do it, because Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi are flaming idiots.

    THINK DETROIT.

    You want to hide moronic incompetence of Democrats behind patriotism. OKAY, LET’S TALK DETROIT. Detroit is part of the United States of America (stand up singing God Bless America.) YET DEMOCRATS MANAGED TO DESTROY DETROIT, DIDN’T THEY?

    ObamaCare is monumentally stupid even by the standards of socialist Europe. No, there is no other country doing what ObamaCare will do.

    Obama’s plan and the Democrats plan going back to Clinton is atrociously idiotic even by socialist standards.

    For one thing, socialist Europe manages to pay for health care by dramatically lowering the extent and substance of health care available, having long wait times, delivering crappy quality, etc.

    By contrast, ObamaCare vastly increases the extent and variety of health care coverage mandated. The reason that insurance premiums will be 200% to 390% next year of what people were paying this year is because ObamaCare vastly increases the level of coverage.

    The result will be that ObamaCare will go totally bankrupt — just like Detroit, Social Security, Medicare, and soon the entire US Government.

    After a car crash, England’s National Health Service killed my mother 3 times. She was clinically dead. However, my mother had what no one else has — a full time physician, her husband, monitoring her bed side 24/7 with my sister, able to revive her and bring her back from the dead. But he is not a UK doctor and had no authority in the hospital or over the hospital staff.

    The UK doctor would come through and prescribe a course of action and medication. The administrator (budget) would come through and change what the doctor ordered on the chart.

    My father, physician to physician, appealed to the UK doctors with hospital privileges to get proper care for his wife. The UK doctors shrugged and said there was nothing they could do about it. The bookkeepers ran the hospital.

    Finally the UK doctors urged my Dad to get my mother out of England and back to the USA. They said if you keep her here (in the hospital in the UK) WE (the UK hospital) WILL KILL HER eventually (through incompetence).

    If my mother had not had a USA to flee to as soon as she could be moved, the National Health Service would have killed her once and for all.

    So other countries can’t do it either.

    But liberal Democrats in the USA are even more incompetent than Europeans.

  38. So is the Air Force. The Constitution only refers to Armies and a Navy.

    Correct. Of course, the ‘air force’ was originally the US Army Air Corp and the Navy. But, you get the idea.

    By the way- can you guess why Section 8 grants Congress only the power to coin money- not print it?

    Hint: see today’s deficit.

  39. It is time to shut the government down. Conservatives have been made fun of for too long. Even Ted Cruz’s filibuster is being hailed as one big joke by really dumb stupid people. The whole media is against us; the voting population is against us, and we will certainly go down in defeat, UNLESS we do this thing.

    We are powerful, and they NEED to respect OUR power. Don’t listen to US? Then lose your trillions in stocks and bonds. WE don’t care… Don’t listen to us? Lose your jobs in banks and hedge funds. WE don’t care. Don’t listen to us? See if you are laughing at us on October 2nd.

    We need resolve. We are not interested in anything Democrats want to do. The economy must fail so every citizen finally gets through their big fat thick head, that Conservatives are not to be messed with.

    The economy must fail across the entire nation, just so we Republicans can put it back together the right way. Where everyone prospers, not just the big guys on Wall Street. Where men are men, and women do what they must to help them. Where there are no rules and businesses can do absolutely anything and everything they can afford.

    You laugh at us losing the election!!!! See how you like these apples… WE are going to default, and there is apparently nothing anyone, the president, Boehner, or the Democrats can do about it…. Suffer, all of you…

    Conservatives are the pure. The clean. The answer. You don’t bow down to the Conservative truth,… well you certainly deserve every single hardship your insolence is going to give you. We will not pass a budget. We will not compromise. We are going to default… Count on that…

    Keep up the good fight all you Conservatives out there in the Hinterland… We can do this and rise again from the ashes!!!

    Join me in hoping those Democrats lose trillions and fill the Mississippi River up with their tears…

  40. That’s some high-quality satire there.

    It sums up conservative “thought” perfectly — stop laughing at us!

  41. Nobody
    Everything you write is satirical. You comment on DL using one pseudonym and at DP using another and it fools nobody, but then again you don’t attempt to fool anyone, just attack conservative positions in your usual Saul Alinsky manner, while offering no solutions at all.

  42. Interesting that you can never defend those positions that I attack, but you’re never at a loss for names to call people.

  43. Nobody
    Interesting, you never offer any solutions to any positions you attack but expect respect for your senseless attacks.

  44. You don’t even offer any facts to back up your assertions. When I ask for them, you won’t answer. You still won’t identify any left-of-center Republicans.

  45. The answer to the opening question is ..it looks like it more and more. Will the people be disconnected enough that they get away with it?

  46. Nobody
    Look at my new post and you’ll see twenty-five republicans that couldn’t even hold the line. I don’t know if they are all left of center but they are sure cowards and wimps. The evidence stares you in the face and yet you still attack.
    BTW a football game is on and it takes precedence over your silliness.

  47. I’ll blame the Republicans if the government shuts down. Why? Because the Republicans are the minority party that is insisting on holding the fund the government hostage, unless they get their way.

    Elections have consequences, and the Repubs don’t have the votes to defund Obama care.

  48. I’m not a fan of the democrats but to say the government is going to shut down the government and blame Republicans is idiotic. The republicans have been planning this out for a while and aren’t shy about how excited they are about the shutdown!

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