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		<title>By: david anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/while-we-were-looking-at-the-budget-a-radical-agenda-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-16214</link>
		<dc:creator>david anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There would be no special protection for her under SB 169.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would be no special protection for her under SB 169.</p>
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		<title>By: annoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>annoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man pulls gun on woman outside Planned Parenthood
azfamily.com ^ &#124; 7.1.09 

PHOENIX -- Police say a man pulled a gun on a woman standing outside a Planned Parenthood in Phoenix Wednesday morning. 

July 1st, 2009 UNCUT: Police say man pointed gun at Planned Parenthood protester - A man pulled a gun on a protester outside a Planned Parenthood in Phoenix Wednesday morning. 

Phoenix police Lt. Larry T. Jacobs said the man had just dropped his girlfriend off at the Planned Parenthood near Seventh and Campbell avenues. As he was leaving, one of the women outside handed him a pamphlet. 

That&#039;s when the suspect pulled a gun on the woman, pointed it at her for a few seconds and then drove off. 

The victim was able to write down his license plate number and called police. 

She says she was only trying to help. 

Police found the man and arrested him. 

No one was hurt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man pulls gun on woman outside Planned Parenthood<br />
azfamily.com ^ | 7.1.09 </p>
<p>PHOENIX &#8212; Police say a man pulled a gun on a woman standing outside a Planned Parenthood in Phoenix Wednesday morning. </p>
<p>July 1st, 2009 UNCUT: Police say man pointed gun at Planned Parenthood protester &#8211; A man pulled a gun on a protester outside a Planned Parenthood in Phoenix Wednesday morning. </p>
<p>Phoenix police Lt. Larry T. Jacobs said the man had just dropped his girlfriend off at the Planned Parenthood near Seventh and Campbell avenues. As he was leaving, one of the women outside handed him a pamphlet. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s when the suspect pulled a gun on the woman, pointed it at her for a few seconds and then drove off. </p>
<p>The victim was able to write down his license plate number and called police. </p>
<p>She says she was only trying to help. </p>
<p>Police found the man and arrested him. </p>
<p>No one was hurt</p>
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		<title>By: David Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/while-we-were-looking-at-the-budget-a-radical-agenda-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-16126</link>
		<dc:creator>David Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noman, you are advocating tyranny.  It is not a form of harassment.  Thankfully the appeals and Supreme Court have struck down these attempt in the past regardless of which view point.  Just today the anti gay thugs that protest military funerals won as they should have.  Now if these guys won then someone respectfully handing a pamphlet on a public sidewalk certainly is protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noman, you are advocating tyranny.  It is not a form of harassment.  Thankfully the appeals and Supreme Court have struck down these attempt in the past regardless of which view point.  Just today the anti gay thugs that protest military funerals won as they should have.  Now if these guys won then someone respectfully handing a pamphlet on a public sidewalk certainly is protected.</p>
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		<title>By: David Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/while-we-were-looking-at-the-budget-a-radical-agenda-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-16125</link>
		<dc:creator>David Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not if you have the money to take it to federal court on constitutional questions.  Unless you have about 500K or a public interest law firm, that won&#039;t be a good strategy.  If bad bills become law, they can have a chilling effect for years until they are overturned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not if you have the money to take it to federal court on constitutional questions.  Unless you have about 500K or a public interest law firm, that won&#8217;t be a good strategy.  If bad bills become law, they can have a chilling effect for years until they are overturned.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re charged with a misdemeanor. Will you be prosecuted? Will you be convicted? If so, will the conviction stand on appeal?

Probably not, unlikely, and highly unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re charged with a misdemeanor. Will you be prosecuted? Will you be convicted? If so, will the conviction stand on appeal?</p>
<p>Probably not, unlikely, and highly unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: noman</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/while-we-were-looking-at-the-budget-a-radical-agenda-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-16099</link>
		<dc:creator>noman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to be angry or block the entrance to harass women at a clinic. We have given up on trying to regulate your behavior, now we are simplifying things by making you move off.

Please do continue offering alternatives at your own locations. Get a phone number and rent a storefront. Don&#039;t call us, we&#039;ll call you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to be angry or block the entrance to harass women at a clinic. We have given up on trying to regulate your behavior, now we are simplifying things by making you move off.</p>
<p>Please do continue offering alternatives at your own locations. Get a phone number and rent a storefront. Don&#8217;t call us, we&#8217;ll call you.</p>
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		<title>By: David Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/while-we-were-looking-at-the-budget-a-radical-agenda-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-16096</link>
		<dc:creator>David Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember we already have laws against intimidating people and touching them.  We have laws against blocking entrances.  I have seen counter protests at pro-life events.  I never once thought about trying to stop people even if they were yelling obnoxious things.   

You know that I always stand up for freedom of speech.  Once you allow government to gore on guy&#039;s ox, it won&#039;t be long before it comes for your cow.  I will always jealously guard those precious rights.

The fact is noman there is no anger from our side 99% of the time. I wouldn&#039;t spend 10 seconds anywhere where angry behavior is tolerated except to reign it in.  Some people have issues quite apart from any thing dealing with this.  We already have laws to deal with them.  What this law does is try to stop the peaceful offer of alternatives in any meaningful way.  Imagine an 8 foot bubble at the polling place or DMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember we already have laws against intimidating people and touching them.  We have laws against blocking entrances.  I have seen counter protests at pro-life events.  I never once thought about trying to stop people even if they were yelling obnoxious things.   </p>
<p>You know that I always stand up for freedom of speech.  Once you allow government to gore on guy&#8217;s ox, it won&#8217;t be long before it comes for your cow.  I will always jealously guard those precious rights.</p>
<p>The fact is noman there is no anger from our side 99% of the time. I wouldn&#8217;t spend 10 seconds anywhere where angry behavior is tolerated except to reign it in.  Some people have issues quite apart from any thing dealing with this.  We already have laws to deal with them.  What this law does is try to stop the peaceful offer of alternatives in any meaningful way.  Imagine an 8 foot bubble at the polling place or DMV.</p>
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		<title>By: noman</title>
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		<dc:creator>noman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - it is a form of harassment. It is perceived as harassment by the clinic staff and visitors. If it wasn&#039;t harassment, the protestors would have no incentive to do it.

Free speech doesn&#039;t mean you get to stand silently outside your ex-wife&#039;s door. 

If we were talking about corporate executives or politicians, you might have a point about peaceful protest. But these are medical patients and medical workers who are there for their own private reasons. 

There are lots of people visiting a women&#039;s health facility for reasons other than abortion which are nonetheless private. For example, you probably don&#039;t know or care that Planned Parenthood does fertility counselling and pre-natal care as well as regular GYN checkups and STD screening and treatment. Heck, they even treat men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; it is a form of harassment. It is perceived as harassment by the clinic staff and visitors. If it wasn&#8217;t harassment, the protestors would have no incentive to do it.</p>
<p>Free speech doesn&#8217;t mean you get to stand silently outside your ex-wife&#8217;s door. </p>
<p>If we were talking about corporate executives or politicians, you might have a point about peaceful protest. But these are medical patients and medical workers who are there for their own private reasons. </p>
<p>There are lots of people visiting a women&#8217;s health facility for reasons other than abortion which are nonetheless private. For example, you probably don&#8217;t know or care that Planned Parenthood does fertility counselling and pre-natal care as well as regular GYN checkups and STD screening and treatment. Heck, they even treat men.</p>
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		<title>By: David Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect your position on abortion.  It is respecting the gravity of the subject and grappling with tough cases.  I disagree with your conclusion, but I would love to have it in law right now.  It would save 90% of abortions from taking place.

I don&#039;t see this bill as being about abortion.  What I see it being about is trying to use big government to put a restriction on freedom of speech and assembly that does not exist upon any other class of people in this state.  It is view point discrimination.  If the bill stopped at the first paragraph, we would not be having this discussion.  I would still oppose it, but it would not be worth a big fight.  It is already illegal to stop a business by blocking its entrance.

Thank God for Google.  In the Kokinda case, the Supreme Court permitted the postal service to enforce a rule against asking (soliciting) for donations on postal property. In that case, political activists were asking for donations while standing on a sidewalk leading from the post office building to the post office parking lot. 
However, the court suggested that it would reject a rule that banned free distribution of literature on such properties. Discussing the difference, the Court said, 


&lt;blockquote&gt;As residents of metropolitan areas know from daily experience, confrontation by a person asking for money disrupts passage and is more intrusive and intimidating than an encounter with a person giving out information. One need not ponder the contents of a leaflet or pamphlet in order mechanically to take it out of someone&#039;s hand, but one must listen, comprehend, decide and act in order to respond to a solicitation. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


ISKCON, Inc. v. Lee  applied the same type of philosophy to an airport which was not public property.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect your position on abortion.  It is respecting the gravity of the subject and grappling with tough cases.  I disagree with your conclusion, but I would love to have it in law right now.  It would save 90% of abortions from taking place.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see this bill as being about abortion.  What I see it being about is trying to use big government to put a restriction on freedom of speech and assembly that does not exist upon any other class of people in this state.  It is view point discrimination.  If the bill stopped at the first paragraph, we would not be having this discussion.  I would still oppose it, but it would not be worth a big fight.  It is already illegal to stop a business by blocking its entrance.</p>
<p>Thank God for Google.  In the Kokinda case, the Supreme Court permitted the postal service to enforce a rule against asking (soliciting) for donations on postal property. In that case, political activists were asking for donations while standing on a sidewalk leading from the post office building to the post office parking lot.<br />
However, the court suggested that it would reject a rule that banned free distribution of literature on such properties. Discussing the difference, the Court said, </p>
<blockquote><p>As residents of metropolitan areas know from daily experience, confrontation by a person asking for money disrupts passage and is more intrusive and intimidating than an encounter with a person giving out information. One need not ponder the contents of a leaflet or pamphlet in order mechanically to take it out of someone&#8217;s hand, but one must listen, comprehend, decide and act in order to respond to a solicitation.
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<p>ISKCON, Inc. v. Lee  applied the same type of philosophy to an airport which was not public property.</p>
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		<title>By: RSmitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>RSmitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, if someone is in my face and touching it within the process of their heated rhetoric and angered attitude, I am threatened, plain and simple.  I also made very sure to say that I know there are peaceful protests and there are those that aren&#039;t peaceful.  Both sides have stories of how they were assaulted and most of them I would not argue.  No one side is innocent, nor is everyone guilty.  Unfortunately, one guilty moment among 40 innocent events will tarnish the entire set of 41.  To flip this protest/education scenario, when is the last time you&#039;ve seen a blockade/protest by pro-choicers held at a church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, if someone is in my face and touching it within the process of their heated rhetoric and angered attitude, I am threatened, plain and simple.  I also made very sure to say that I know there are peaceful protests and there are those that aren&#8217;t peaceful.  Both sides have stories of how they were assaulted and most of them I would not argue.  No one side is innocent, nor is everyone guilty.  Unfortunately, one guilty moment among 40 innocent events will tarnish the entire set of 41.  To flip this protest/education scenario, when is the last time you&#8217;ve seen a blockade/protest by pro-choicers held at a church?</p>
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