What We are up Against

I have been interested in the case of CBS News Correspondent Lara Logan for some time. I have had family members stationed in Egypt and have had friends who lived there for several years. Based on their descriptions, I had no illusions about Obama’s Arab Spring. For those who are unfamiliar with the situation of Lara Logan, Logan was stationed in Cairo during the so called “Arab Spring” demonstrations. Logan went out to document the Arab Spring demonstrations for CBS News. This was her job. The Arab Spring protesters did not take kindly to a blonde western woman in their midst. (For the record, Logan is from South Africa.) Logan was accosted. She was stripped by the Arab Spring Egyptians. She was sexually assaulted. Thankfully, she has recovered from her injuries. Liberals, including her CBS employers, have put her story on the very back burner. This is because, to publicize the disgusting behavior of the Egyptians will make the wussy in chief Obama look bad. Lara Logan has now spoken out. She was the guest speaker at Chicago’s Better Government Association. I guess this is a big deal in Chicago. The Chicago BGA is about as effective as the Wilmington non violent association. That being said, Lara Logan has done respectable reporting in a wide variety of areas. She has been reporting from numerous areas including Iraq and Afghanistan. She has some excellent contacts. Lara Logan has been a professional journalist in every sense of the word. This does of course does not save her from sexual assault in the streets of the Arab Spring Cairo from Egyptian Muslims. Lara Logan bravely spoke out to the Chicago Liberals about her view of the Obama foreign policy. No one in the liberal News Media will actually tell this story, although it is worth telling. Lara Logan knows that we have not defeated Al Queda. The Obama acolytes believe that killing one man ends terrorism against America. This is like saying that killing Rommel would end WW2. So here is what Lara Logan has to say
Her ominous and frightening message was gleaned from years of covering our wars in the Middle East. She arrived in Chicago on the heels of her Sept. 30 report, “The Longest War.” It examined the Afghanistan conflict and exposed the perils that still confront America, 11 years after 9/11. Eleven years later, “they” still hate us, now more than ever, Logan told the crowd. The Taliban and al-Qaida have not been vanquished, she added. They’re coming back. “I chose this subject because, one, I can’t stand, that there is a major lie being propagated . . .” Logan declared in her native South African accent. The lie is that America’s military might has tamed the Taliban. “There is this narrative coming out of Washington for the last two years,” Logan said. It is driven in part by “Taliban apologists,” who claim “they are just the poor moderate, gentler, kinder Taliban,” she added sarcastically. “It’s such nonsense!” Logan stepped way out of the “objective,” journalistic role. The audience was riveted as she told of plowing through reams of documents, and interviewing John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan; Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and a Taliban commander trained by al-Qaida. The Taliban and al-Qaida are teaming up and recruiting new terrorists to do us deadly harm, she reports. She made a passionate case that our government is downplaying the strength of our enemies in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as a rationale of getting us out of the longest war. We have been lulled into believing that the perils are in the past: “You’re not listening to what the people who are fighting you say about this fight. In your arrogance, you think you write the script.” Our enemies are writing the story, she suggests, and there’s no happy ending for us. Logan even called for retribution for the recent terrorist killings of Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, and three other officials. The event is a harbinger of our vulnerability, she said. Logan hopes that America will “exact revenge and let the world know that the United States will not be attacked on its own soil. That its ambassadors will not be murdered, and that the United States will not stand by and do nothing about it.”
Maybe Obama may do something about the murder of Chris Stevens in order to get an election advantage. But, our enemies already know that Obama is a total wussy and they know they can defy him without consequence. No woman should go unescorted in the countries of the Muslim Brotherhood. There is a War against Women and Obama is encouraging it in the Middle East.

27 thoughts on “What We are up Against”

  1. TW
    “Maybe Obama may do something about the murder of Chris Stevens in order to get an election advantage.”

    Great post. I believe you might have a point here on the above statement. Everything Obama does concerning foreign policy seems to have a diabolical purpose that is adverse to America’s interests and more in line with his father’s dreams about America’s downfall.

  2. Why is it “Obama’s” Arab spring? How come it somehow belongs to Obama? In any case, the Arab spring was an improvement in many countries, even if the old guard is putting up a bloody fight in a few of them.

    And what do you want to do in response to the Libyan ambassador – bomb Libya? Despite the deaths we have hardly “lost” Libya.

    Didn’t GWB say that his bloody and unnecessary invasion of Iraq was going to create a model of democracy for the Middle East? I guess he was right.

    Seriously TW – what do you think we should do? Launch another troop surge in Afghanistan, increase drone attacks and night raids? Should we take on Pakistan to clean out Taliban and their supporters too, and then face China who won’t be happy? When does the killing stop?

    Or do you think we should support installation of America-friendly dictators across the middle east because democracy is bringing too many Islamists to power? I’m not happy with the Islamists either but it is part of their revolutionary process which is far from over.

  3. First of all, conservatives must face the reality that the ‘mainstream’ media are quislings, plain and simple. Luckily, the ‘mainstream’ media’s trust rating is below that of aluminum siding salesmen, just a notch above professional politicians. The American people generally recognize the fact that our media sees their job as being cheerleaders for the left- without such recognition by the people, the Republicans would never win an election, anywhere.

    Despite the deaths we have hardly “lost” Libya.

    You can’t lose what you’ve never found. The nations of the Middle East and N. Africa will never trust the U.S., primarily because they feel (correctly) that our only interest in the region is oil. The distrust is exacerbated by the dictats of Islam- jihad and submission, the idea of the ultimate hegemony of Islam as expoused in the Holy Koran.

    The U.S. should never put much faith in any regime in the region- to them, our only function is sugar-daddy, to be used like any other common sucker.

  4. “First of all, conservatives must face the reality that the ‘mainstream’ media are quislings”

    Nothing could prove that more sharply than when they allowed themselves to be used by the Bush administration to gin up the war in Iraq.

  5. alpha asks in #2: “Why is it “Obama’s” Arab spring? How come it somehow belongs to Obama? ”

    Did you miss the US military going to war in Libya, ordered by President Obama — WITHOUT a vote by Congress?

    George Bush had authorization from Congress in the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Consttution does not prescribe any format, content, or title for a declaration of war. Anything that has that essential meaning qualifies. It does not have to be called “Declaration of War”

    Obama did not even get a fig leaf vote from Congress to invade Libya on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    YOU BROKE IT, YOU BOUGHT IT.

  6. Nothing could prove that more sharply than when they allowed themselves to be used by the Bush administration to gin up the war in Iraq.

    They were used by Bush only in that the administration used false pretense based upon unverifiable, ‘secret’ information that supposedly couldn’t be revealed.

    However, in short order, the ‘mainstream’ press resumed their role with relish, doing anything to undermine the administration.

    On television, every network supports Omaba except Fox- every one. The same can be said of almost any major newspaper.

    Quislings, mere quislings.

  7. Lara Logan, victim of a brutal sexual assault at the hands of a Muslim mob, is hardly the most unbiased source of information on the Muslim world.

    That said, I have seen and heard no evidence of this supposed widely accepted lie about the Taliban. Does anybody hear the news out of Afghanistan about blue-on-green attacks and think, “Oh my yes, this is going very well”? Because I know plenty of people in both parties, and not a single on of them thinks that.

  8. Geezer
    “Lara Logan, victim of a brutal sexual assault at the hands of a Muslim mob, is hardly the most unbiased source of information on the Muslim world. ”

    She is a great source on how these religious zealots treat women in general. Geezer, they ripped her clothes off and sexually assaulted her in the middle of a mob. I think she is a great source with first hand knowledge.
    Refute that. I’m sure your will seek the last word.

  9. Caution should be used in characterizing the Middle East as “the Muslim World” and consequently characteristizing actions over there as Muslim actions.

    The treatment of women in the Middle East is a cultural characteristic of a society that, in our opinion, holds women as second class citizens at best.

    A report today from Pakistan, had a story about a 14 year old girl whose was shot by gunmen who targeted her for being outspoken about girls being able to go to school. Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, who blamed the shooting on the girl’s activist blogging.

    That’s not and Islamic issue, it is a Arab and Asian cultural issue. Further, it is issue in societies where women are often considered a little more than property and can be killed for shaming a family. While we consider this barbaric, these cultures have been living life this way for hundreds of years.

    Now you can incorrectly attribute it to Islam but you would be incorrect in attempting to define the problem terms in of religion. The reality is, uneducated men sustain a feudalistic, brutal tribal culture that does not necesarily value life. It is male dominated in a world that is increasingly open and liberating, threating the structure of the male dominated family unit, tribe, and government.

    Casting this as an Islamic or Muslim problem presumes that if they all converted to a non-Islamic religion, all the problems would go away. I will also remind you that male domination of the family unit is heavily practiced in many Christian cultures. We don’t routinely behead people because of our American culture, which is not tribal.

    Tribalism is the enemy, not Islam. Islam can be faulted for its lack of central authority, which tends to moderate behavior by establishing acceptable standards. Consider the whacks at Westboro Baptist Church who (although non-violent) are extreme in their own behavior. What you are missing here is that much of the extremism comes from the lack of central (non-tribal) authority, whether it is a religious authority or secular (governmental) authority. An example would be Saudia Arabia, where there is both a strong central religious and government authority. Although they are not completely free from violence, overall they have the stability lacking in other countries, whether it is Pakistan, India, or a Middle East country.

  10. Dave
    I beg to disagree with you, the treatment of women in most Islamic countries is worse than second class citizens. Their dogs are treated better They are made to wear Bhurkas and severely beaten if they show anything of their legs or face. They are stoned to death if their husbands accuse them of adultry.
    If they are raped by a man, they are told it s their fault and punished for the act.

    The treatment of Lara Logan is just what I said it was in my earlier comment and Ms. Logan is not at fault, the Islamic mob that ripped her clothes off and sexually assaulted her were in the wrong. These are the types of countries in the Middle-East that are receiving aid from America.
    Spin it any way you want Dave but what TW wrote in his post in correct and accurate.
    They hate us. They murder our citizens. They abduct hikers and charge them with espionage and only release them when ransom is paid.
    They are thugs and brigands and yet we still give them foreign aid. What the hell in wrong with America.

  11. Truth: She is a source of exceptionally biased firsthand information, having been victimized by the attack. If you don’t understand why that is so, I’m afraid you’re even dumber than I originally thought.

  12. TBT, you missed the point. The point is that it is tribalism not Islam. I’m not giving Islam a pass. After all it arose out of the tribal culture. But the tribal culture was there first. But your war is should be against tribalism not Islam. The fact that they were all Muslims is like saying they were all men, or all Arabs, or all Egyptians or they all have beards, or whatever else they all were.

  13. Geezer
    She should be biased and tell her story of what is really happening in Egypt, instead of being the Pollyanna that you are about these people. When I say “these people” I mean the angry terrorist mob, not the everyday family Muslims that are just trying to keep from being killed for being non-violent.
    If you don’t see that then I believe you are as dumb as I know you are.
    You have eyes, but are sightless. You have ears, but cannot hear the truth. You have a mouth, but cannot speak the truth.

  14. Dave
    “TBT, you missed the point. The point is that it is tribalism not Islam. I’m not giving Islam a pass.”

    OK, I see your point. It becomes difficult to not generalize Islam when so much insane religious violence is taking place in the Middle-East. We forget the people that just want to live and raise their children without becoming victims.
    I believe these terrorist and thugs have far surpassed tribalism and, in my opinion, if not checked they will get worse and expand with the same violence into Europe and then America, with sickening violence and hatred that far surpasses anything we expect.
    The trap of generalization is an easy one to fall into.

  15. “She should be biased and tell her story of what is really happening in Egypt”

    Because she is biased, I have no confidence that she has much clear idea of what is happening anywhere in the world. And given your history of pants-wetting over radical Islam, you are too biased to call anyone a Pollyanna.

  16. “They are thugs and brigands and yet we still give them foreign aid. What the hell in wrong with America.”:

    Perhaps if you studied the question you would find the answer: We have given Egypt aid ever since the Camp David accords.

    What the hell is wrong with conservatives? Why can’t they learn history?

  17. Geezer
    Sorry to leave this interesting, “ad homenim” attack, but I have a forum to attend. It is always interesting trading useless insults with you.

  18. Oooh, a forum! I’m sure it would fail without you! Is it one at which they’ll teach you how to spell ad hominem, or is it a forum of like-minded, ignorant conservatives?

  19. Tribalism is the enemy, not Islam. Islam can be faulted for its lack of central authority, which tends to moderate behavior by establishing acceptable standards.

    Huh? Isn’t the ‘Holy Koran’ the problem? Doesn’t the Koran instruct believers to force the ‘submission’ of infidels, i.e., non-Muslims, by force. Doesn’t the ‘Holy Koran’ advocate jihad? Doesn’t the ‘Holy Koran’ instruct the husband to hit the wife- and doesn’t the Koran count the opinion of a woman, in a dispute, as half of a man? And isn’t the ‘Holy Koran’ the governing document, so to speak, of Islam? Then tell me, how is Islam not the ‘problem?’

  20. It is sad what happened to her, and she is right. It is time to nuke them. We fought two wars and we gained nothing.. If they are going to attack us anyways, perhaps having a lot fewer of them alive would make the entire world safer. … They can’t nuke us if we nuke them first.

    The US, China, and Russia, should all take turns testing their nukes on Arab Cities. That way it will send a clear signal to them that everyone in the world is now fed up and united against their stupid pet tricks.

  21. Rick, tribalism predated Muhammed, Quran and all other written records. The concepts and precepts in the Quran did not spring from nothing. They were based on cultural structures that had been in existence for centuries. Do you think it was convenient that the Quran aligned so well with tribal mores that had been around forever?

    Even today, the battles between Shias and Shiites are not about religion. It’s about tribes and tribal supremacy. Sure the masses are imbued with more ferver when you incorporate Allah (or God), especially when one’s faith burns hot. Those who have God on their side believe themselves to be invincible, but the bottom line is, it’s about tribal warfare. Whether it is the Christian tribes, Jewish tribes, Shias, Shiites, whatever. Tribes like to dominate other tribes and men like to dominate women. And there ya go.

  22. Geezer
    “Oooh, a forum! I’m sure it would fail without you! Is it one at which they’ll teach you how to spell ad hominem, or is it a forum of like-minded, ignorant conservatives?”

    Yes it is a forum that probably would not include your non-stop liberal progressive attacks. I will continue to to misspell ad hominem to irritate you. I just love yanking your chain, because you’re soooo easy. You usually accuse your adversaries of your own mannerisms to keep them from returning the attack. You are so transparent and shallow. Yank yank.

  23. Rick, tribalism predated Muhammed, Quran and all other written records.

    That was true of Britain, too. So what? The Koran is the ‘governing document’ of Islam, just as the US Constitution is our governing document- thus, the Koran is the culprit, not ‘tribalism.’

  24. If they all follow it to the letter, why are the vast majority of 1.2 billion Muslims failing to join the jihad?

    Since you bring up the Constitution, isn’t one of your complaints our frequent failure to follow it? What makes you think that Americans are the only ones who ignore the strictures laid down by long-dead predecessors?

  25. “That was true of Britain, too. So what?”

    Because Britian grew out of tribalism (and feudalism) through a governance evolution that included such things as the Magna Carta.

    In the Middle East you face a situation where the tribes were and continue to be the overarching authority and form of governance. This is partially a consequence of the nomadic character of the tribes which recognized only tribal authority versus political boundaries and authority which continues today (in Pakistan for instance) to hold sway over vast regions where political authority is weak or non-existent.

    Much of what you attribute to Islam, is honestly nothing more than striving for survival of the tribe. Now, lest you think I am giving Islam and Quran a pass, please be assured that I am not. Islam was created by those who adhered to and promulgated tribal authority (at the micro level – the extended family unit) and at the macro level, whole regions. So obviously the Quran reflects that culture as well. My point is, that your root cause analysis lays the responsibility at the doorstep of Islam. My analysis says that you stopped too soon and need to go further back to the tribal culture. This madness did not originate with Islam. Islam does contribute to it’s promulgation because many Muslims take the Quran literally, not disimilar to the those who take the Bible literally.

  26. Dave as usual has no clue. This post is about Cairo. My information comes from a relative who was stationed in Cairo for 20 years. I know 2 women who were stationed there. Cairo is not a tribal society. It is a metropolitan city that is dominated by Islam. A Western woman has not been able to walk the streets of Cairo unattended for decades unless she wants to be groped. If Dave wants to make the case that Muslim societies are inherently anti women then I would agree. It is not tribalism. Dave needs to actually study Islam. Why is it that Islam everywhere denigrates women? Every country dominated by Islam is anti women. The idea that girls should go to school is a novel idea in Muslim countries. Tribalism exists everywhere but it is only in Muslim countries where one has to fight to allow girls to go to school and learn to read.

  27. Actually TW, I have studied Islam. I have a dog eared copy of the Quran as well. What you seem to miss about all this is that a literal reading of any of these books, whether it is the Bible or Quran, can give one an impression that the adherents of the religions which hold those books dear are pretty barbaric peoples (which is one reason why I and many others do not take these books literally).

    Perhaps you thought that the Bedouins never ventured into the cities, or that Ja’afrah, Ansar, Harbiab, Ababdah,
    and Temeh’w tribes were anachronistic. Or even that once the cities were built, the tribes just simply disappeared.

    While the tribal structure and hierarchy is more prevalent in southern Egypt, it exists today and most Egyptians, who are of Arab ancestry know what tribe they belong to and those with no tribal ancestry are known as fellahin, a somewhat derogatory term.

    But hey, ignore all that and hold dearly to your belief that it’s all about Islam. Yes people do horrific things in the name of their religion. And let’s face it, Islam has not always had a corner on that market. But really, if we didn’t have a religion to blame terrorism on and terrorism still took place and men treated women effectively as chattel, what would you blame it on then? Or better yet, if Islam did not exist, do you think that women would get to drive in Saudia Arabia or not be forced to wear a hijab or burka in Egypt? Really TW, do you honestly believe that if we got rid of Islam the burka would disappear?

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