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		<title>By: think123</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/washington-post-caught-with-panties-down/comment-page-1/#comment-16261</link>
		<dc:creator>think123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I do declare that if you just got back from charm school  it sure do show. I like the new tude. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I do declare that if you just got back from charm school  it sure do show. I like the new tude. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: david anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>david anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Think123, in the original comment I did mean to say cable news and did in subsequent comments.  As I said, you have to combine the east and west ratings to get an accurate ratings.  After all the network news casts are done that way automatically.  I could link the ratings average the end of June which showed a fall off of ABC, but you already conceded CBS so I think the point is made.  The point is that it is a definite player on an equal footing not something hanging on because Murdock is tossing money into it.  

I thank you for recognizing that it is a side issue.   I understand that the Washington Times is losing money and the Washington Post is as well.  The point of this post was not that papers are losing money.  It was what one paper did that is so unusual.

I agree with T. W. reading the WaPo and the like does not make one better informed 90% of the time, but that 10% keeps me coming back.  I am sure that you notice that I link to the WaPo almost as often as I do the WSJ.

Thanks for dropping by Think123.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Think123, in the original comment I did mean to say cable news and did in subsequent comments.  As I said, you have to combine the east and west ratings to get an accurate ratings.  After all the network news casts are done that way automatically.  I could link the ratings average the end of June which showed a fall off of ABC, but you already conceded CBS so I think the point is made.  The point is that it is a definite player on an equal footing not something hanging on because Murdock is tossing money into it.  </p>
<p>I thank you for recognizing that it is a side issue.   I understand that the Washington Times is losing money and the Washington Post is as well.  The point of this post was not that papers are losing money.  It was what one paper did that is so unusual.</p>
<p>I agree with T. W. reading the WaPo and the like does not make one better informed 90% of the time, but that 10% keeps me coming back.  I am sure that you notice that I link to the WaPo almost as often as I do the WSJ.</p>
<p>Thanks for dropping by Think123.</p>
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		<title>By: think123</title>
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		<dc:creator>think123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennessee Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think 123, first let me thank you for taking the time to respond to me.  I have done enough public events to know that an unappreciative audience is usually better than no audience at all.  

I must reiterate my prior view that you have no idea what I was posting about.  Whether this is due to your lack or reading skills or my inability to write more clearly I will leave up to others but My point was not that &quot;the Wahington Post Sucks or is biased etc., etc.&quot;  If this had been my point then I would have simply directed anyone towards Bernard Goldberg or Brent Bozell who do a much better job documenting the left wing bias of media outlets than my humble skills allow.

My post was made to emphasize that the Washington Post went beyond media bias and into the realm of soliciting money for subsequent favorable press treatment for those willing to pay up to $250,000 per year.  My direct criticism of media outlets was due to my anticipation that none of them would ask the hard questions as to what one could expect for a $250,000 donation.  After all I could give a $250.000 donation directly to the Obama crew and get an afternoon with Rahm Emmanuel discussing the best ways to house train puppies.   

It&#039;s interesting that you seize on one admittedly provactive description of certain media outlets to vent what is truly on your mind.  We do not know each other but based on one phrase you typecast and stereotype me. Most folks would wait for 5 or more articles before demonstrating that type of knee jerk reaction.

 Rest assured I do read the NYT and Wash. Post and at times the New Republic. I am not sure that makes me better informed.  It does show me what others are thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think 123, first let me thank you for taking the time to respond to me.  I have done enough public events to know that an unappreciative audience is usually better than no audience at all.  </p>
<p>I must reiterate my prior view that you have no idea what I was posting about.  Whether this is due to your lack or reading skills or my inability to write more clearly I will leave up to others but My point was not that &#8220;the Wahington Post Sucks or is biased etc., etc.&#8221;  If this had been my point then I would have simply directed anyone towards Bernard Goldberg or Brent Bozell who do a much better job documenting the left wing bias of media outlets than my humble skills allow.</p>
<p>My post was made to emphasize that the Washington Post went beyond media bias and into the realm of soliciting money for subsequent favorable press treatment for those willing to pay up to $250,000 per year.  My direct criticism of media outlets was due to my anticipation that none of them would ask the hard questions as to what one could expect for a $250,000 donation.  After all I could give a $250.000 donation directly to the Obama crew and get an afternoon with Rahm Emmanuel discussing the best ways to house train puppies.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you seize on one admittedly provactive description of certain media outlets to vent what is truly on your mind.  We do not know each other but based on one phrase you typecast and stereotype me. Most folks would wait for 5 or more articles before demonstrating that type of knee jerk reaction.</p>
<p> Rest assured I do read the NYT and Wash. Post and at times the New Republic. I am not sure that makes me better informed.  It does show me what others are thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: think123</title>
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		<dc:creator>think123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tennesee, don&#039;t be too hard on me, just trying to breath some life into the old blog here. My reading and reasoning skills are okay, good enough for this I think. I told you I understand what you are saying: The WaPo sucks with the rest of the not Fox media.

My message is - the right wing has this paranoia about the left wing &quot;mainstream media&quot;. This so called mainstream media consists of anything outside Fox, WSJ, and Limbaugh. The rest of our national media is a pack of left wing lies. It&#039;s the old &quot;real Americans vs the others&quot;.  

The Soviet propaganda in the NYT during the Cold War was in fact the actual  world view of the Soviet Union. In American, unlike the Soviet Union, we are able to read enemy propaganda. It is called a free press, not a pro-American press. 

Surprising how back in 1972, during the height of Vietnam, when there was only &quot;mainstream media&quot;, conservative Nixon beat liberal McGovern by the biggest landslide in history. Wonder how us poor slobs knew what was up? From CBS,NBC,ABC? That&#039;s all there was. Walter Cronkite et al. How did we ever learn the truth?

Several of my friends say they can&#039;t stand ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, The NYT, or WaPo. They call CNN the Communist News Network. All they watch is FOX. When I mention Public Broadcasting or the New York Times, these good people look shocked anyone would watch that crap. I have been around a long time, never saw this degree of self brainwashing.

Now my friend Tennesee here is a perfect example. He says the &quot;mainstream media&quot; is the mouthpiece for the DNC, but he never says what he means: The &quot;mainstream media&quot; is every thing in the USA other than Fox and the WSJ. Murdoch&#039;s New Corporation is the only thing you can trust in America?

Which gets me back to the blank eyed, single minded people George Orwell wrote about. I write about this stuff because as a Republican I wonder why our Party has fallen so low. I think the childish intolerant view of the media make us look stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tennesee, don&#8217;t be too hard on me, just trying to breath some life into the old blog here. My reading and reasoning skills are okay, good enough for this I think. I told you I understand what you are saying: The WaPo sucks with the rest of the not Fox media.</p>
<p>My message is &#8211; the right wing has this paranoia about the left wing &#8220;mainstream media&#8221;. This so called mainstream media consists of anything outside Fox, WSJ, and Limbaugh. The rest of our national media is a pack of left wing lies. It&#8217;s the old &#8220;real Americans vs the others&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The Soviet propaganda in the NYT during the Cold War was in fact the actual  world view of the Soviet Union. In American, unlike the Soviet Union, we are able to read enemy propaganda. It is called a free press, not a pro-American press. </p>
<p>Surprising how back in 1972, during the height of Vietnam, when there was only &#8220;mainstream media&#8221;, conservative Nixon beat liberal McGovern by the biggest landslide in history. Wonder how us poor slobs knew what was up? From CBS,NBC,ABC? That&#8217;s all there was. Walter Cronkite et al. How did we ever learn the truth?</p>
<p>Several of my friends say they can&#8217;t stand ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, The NYT, or WaPo. They call CNN the Communist News Network. All they watch is FOX. When I mention Public Broadcasting or the New York Times, these good people look shocked anyone would watch that crap. I have been around a long time, never saw this degree of self brainwashing.</p>
<p>Now my friend Tennesee here is a perfect example. He says the &#8220;mainstream media&#8221; is the mouthpiece for the DNC, but he never says what he means: The &#8220;mainstream media&#8221; is every thing in the USA other than Fox and the WSJ. Murdoch&#8217;s New Corporation is the only thing you can trust in America?</p>
<p>Which gets me back to the blank eyed, single minded people George Orwell wrote about. I write about this stuff because as a Republican I wonder why our Party has fallen so low. I think the childish intolerant view of the media make us look stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Downs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that the WaPo is a public corporation in which only a family clique has any say in management.   

The family had an agenda.  Yet the seeming success of the agenda has not been mirrored in profitability.  The paper is slimming down to cut costs but how far can they go?  The Baltimore Sun is often falling on hard times as a result of an ideological disconnect between the local residents who choose to read and what appears on the news and editorial pages.  Sometimes the line is rather blurred.

Open selling of access may not have been such a good PR move and the crowd centered around 20th &amp; K may not have been that eager to pony up the cash.

This may be the biggest WaPo blunder since &quot;Jimmy&#039;s World&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that the WaPo is a public corporation in which only a family clique has any say in management.   </p>
<p>The family had an agenda.  Yet the seeming success of the agenda has not been mirrored in profitability.  The paper is slimming down to cut costs but how far can they go?  The Baltimore Sun is often falling on hard times as a result of an ideological disconnect between the local residents who choose to read and what appears on the news and editorial pages.  Sometimes the line is rather blurred.</p>
<p>Open selling of access may not have been such a good PR move and the crowd centered around 20th &amp; K may not have been that eager to pony up the cash.</p>
<p>This may be the biggest WaPo blunder since &#8220;Jimmy&#8217;s World&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennesee Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennesee Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I m flattered by this response on a holiday weekend.  I just got back from my weekend activities and am amazed that there were any comments. 
It appears to me that think 123&#039;s reading comprehension skills are as weak as his reasoning skills.  My contentions in my post were that:
1. The Washington Post got caught in a shake down exercise of the worst kind.
2. The mainstream media will give the Washington Post cover for this because thay are the mouthpiece of the DNC.  
What Fox News has to do with any of this is a figment of someone&#039;s imagination.  
As soon as some liberal poster can give me an example of Fox News sponsoring for lobbyists promised access to the President and his staff for $250,000 (and they have 8 years of the Bush administration to comb thru) , then I will look at the comparisons and respond accordingly.   Until then can we actually look at my actual post and not some rant about Fox News????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I m flattered by this response on a holiday weekend.  I just got back from my weekend activities and am amazed that there were any comments.<br />
It appears to me that think 123&#8242;s reading comprehension skills are as weak as his reasoning skills.  My contentions in my post were that:<br />
1. The Washington Post got caught in a shake down exercise of the worst kind.<br />
2. The mainstream media will give the Washington Post cover for this because thay are the mouthpiece of the DNC.<br />
What Fox News has to do with any of this is a figment of someone&#8217;s imagination.<br />
As soon as some liberal poster can give me an example of Fox News sponsoring for lobbyists promised access to the President and his staff for $250,000 (and they have 8 years of the Bush administration to comb thru) , then I will look at the comparisons and respond accordingly.   Until then can we actually look at my actual post and not some rant about Fox News????</p>
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		<title>By: Art Downs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think123: The Soviets had one opinion in the media, why do that to yourself?

I wonder what variety of reading the writer of the above statement chooses to experience.  One should never limit onself to a single publication or point of view.  I learned very early about slanted articles and never forgot.  Reading articles and editorials about myself was mere frosting on the  cake.

Soviet propaganda in the 1930s was repackaged by ace reporter Walter Duranty and presented as news by the NYT.  This traffic in lies won a Pulitzer Prize.  It was never rescinded.

A WaPo reporter did a series called &quot;Jimmy&#039;s World&quot; that also won a Pulitzer.  The heart-rending tale of a young heroin addict (described in precise detail) made a lot of caring people want to help.  It was all lies but some people in high places wanted to rehabilitate the fraudstress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think123: The Soviets had one opinion in the media, why do that to yourself?</p>
<p>I wonder what variety of reading the writer of the above statement chooses to experience.  One should never limit onself to a single publication or point of view.  I learned very early about slanted articles and never forgot.  Reading articles and editorials about myself was mere frosting on the  cake.</p>
<p>Soviet propaganda in the 1930s was repackaged by ace reporter Walter Duranty and presented as news by the NYT.  This traffic in lies won a Pulitzer Prize.  It was never rescinded.</p>
<p>A WaPo reporter did a series called &#8220;Jimmy&#8217;s World&#8221; that also won a Pulitzer.  The heart-rending tale of a young heroin addict (described in precise detail) made a lot of caring people want to help.  It was all lies but some people in high places wanted to rehabilitate the fraudstress.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Downs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I challenge anyone to read the WSJ and not find it delightful and often contrarian on a wide variety of subjects.  

There is a certain ideological split between the news pages and the editorial pages and thinking people with a wide range of interests might enjoy feature articles such as the recent one on how many flowers got their names, from dandelions and marigolds to zinnias.  Topics from archeology to zoology appear and they do add to the store of knowledge.  There is even a vestige of a sports section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I challenge anyone to read the WSJ and not find it delightful and often contrarian on a wide variety of subjects.  </p>
<p>There is a certain ideological split between the news pages and the editorial pages and thinking people with a wide range of interests might enjoy feature articles such as the recent one on how many flowers got their names, from dandelions and marigolds to zinnias.  Topics from archeology to zoology appear and they do add to the store of knowledge.  There is even a vestige of a sports section.</p>
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		<title>By: think123</title>
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		<dc:creator>think123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you said Fox is number one in news (you did not say cable) and Factor gets more viewers than ABC. Both incorrect. If you have different numbers, show em.

By the way, if you just watch Fox and read the WSJ, then all you get is the Murdoch view of things. What would Orwell say if he knew if people would brainwash themselves without any help from Big Brother? Murdoch hooks ya with all the pretty blondes and grisly murders, then socks ya in the brain with his political education.

I do agree with you that Rev. Moon, the Moonies, and Murdoch have done good things for the conservative movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you said Fox is number one in news (you did not say cable) and Factor gets more viewers than ABC. Both incorrect. If you have different numbers, show em.</p>
<p>By the way, if you just watch Fox and read the WSJ, then all you get is the Murdoch view of things. What would Orwell say if he knew if people would brainwash themselves without any help from Big Brother? Murdoch hooks ya with all the pretty blondes and grisly murders, then socks ya in the brain with his political education.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that Rev. Moon, the Moonies, and Murdoch have done good things for the conservative movement.</p>
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