Tie our hands
Mar 19th, 2010 by David Anderson
“If you don’t tie our hands, we will keep stealing”, Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA) said. He was speaking recently on the raiding of social security and the trust funds. Almost on cue, the new CBO report shows that the reconciliation amendments to so called health care reform (deform is my preference) will cost around 70 billion more than the old senate bill. It supposedly cuts the deficit more (remember that it was increased 900 billion to allow for HCR) than the senate bill to qualify for reconciliation.
How did that happen? It raids 70 billion from the long term health care insurance fund and 56 billion from an already struggling Social Security plan. It makes you wonder what the Democrats don’t like about seniors. I am working this Saturday so I can not go to D. C. 
If you can, please do so. Tie their hands or they will keep stealing either that or bring your proverbial pitchforks.
The 9-12 Delaware Patriots only managed to secure one bus for Saturday and it filled up Thursday, the same day we chartered it. This is a key weekend in the debate.
People can meet at the Park and Ride on 896 in Newark across from the Bob Carpenter Center if they would like to carpool down with the Founders Values and Delaware Railsplitters groups. They are meeting around 9AM and heading down.
Socialist-Democrat = Thief
Hey at least one honest democrat has been found. He knows that they are all thieves and can’t be trusted.
Are blacks allowed on the bus? Remember Rosa Parks was a progressive. All that fussin’ about blacks on buses. Back then the 1964 Tea Party clan didn’t much like that leftwing Civil Rights movement. All that black power saying this and that. Too much progress, too progressive, too fast. Thought it was all commie back then. I was there. Now you children of the anti-civil rights movement can go fuss about why this here government got no business helping sick people.
Rev. Ralph David Abernathy was a Republican and so was the leadership CORE. Let’s not make this a progressive conservative issue because it wasn’t. It was a justice issue based upon American principles which used to be regarded by all.
Once again I bring you back, how does slashing health care for the elderly and poor help them? How does taxing medical devises help the handicapped? You refuse to go beyond talking points because you don’t want to admit that this bill is broken.
David, I challenge you to explain how health care for the elderly and poor is being slashed?
Are you saying you are going to Washington to save the elderly and poor from cuts? Is that what the Tea Party is all about? Get real. You are on a bus with people who would have been against civil rights. They would have stood in the school house door with George Wallace. Held the ax handle in Georgia keeping you out of restaurants. It’s the remants of the tired states rights right wing anti-government crowd we had to push aside in the 1960′s. Ask everybody on the bus if they believe in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Ask for a show of hands.
The bill is not broken. The only reason it is less than what it should be is because Republicans, the party of the white man’s anger, acted as barbarians at the gate, vowing to defeat this first black President who they suspect is not good enough to be called an American. Who only begrudgingly and with much suspicion accept this black man’s birth certificate. And Obama is young and black and different he must harbor communist sympathies. How can a young black be a real genuine American? We know how those blacks think. They want everything for free. Don’t believe in hard work. Hate Capitalism. We had to force the parents of your bus buddies to hire blacks in the 1960′s. They still resent it. Let the public be damned. Ask them what their parents think of LBJ and civil rights and Martin Luther King Day. Watch the eyes look away.
So, if you do sit in the front of the bus remember – the crowd you are riding with does not believe in Government telling people what is right and what is wrong. They would gladly turn the clock back to 1950. You like freedom? You’re on the wrong bus dude.
Oh, my gosh! T123 paranoid much? Did I just see a race card played or was that a full-on 52 race card pick-up?
I helped charter that bus (litteraly and figuratively) so why don’t you ask me what I think of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Instead you accuse me and a whole segment of the population of being racist and inhumane without really even knowing us. Your irrational dislike for us is on full display in such moments. There are some Liberals and even Communists whose company I enjoy, because even though we think differently on politics we actually talk to one another and don’t accuse each other of things we have no real basis for. I can’t say the same of you. I can barely recognize you, your current mindset is almost unconceivable to me.
What bitterness of the soul has led you to this place? You love this bill more than you love many of your fellow Americans, I among them whom you appear to loath, and I find that sad. You have become a tool in the hands of your enemy and I hope you never have to see the enslavement and destruction that will come if these bills and policies, which you so doggedly support and want forced on your fellow citizens, are enacted.
Real men and women reguardless of ethnicity don’t want everything for free. They want to be free.
What makes you say people want free healthcare? People know knowing is free. Healthcare costs a fortune. That’s why everybody is bitching.
I have no doubt the Tea Party would have cheered when Republican Presidential Candidate Barry Goldwater voted no on Civil Rights. Goldwater said “you can’t legislate morality”. He talked the same language you do. Wanted no part of government.
It not paranoia. You need to look the mirror. Just saw the Tea Party screaming and throwing things at a man with Parkiinson’s who showed up at a anti health care rally. I know the type. Outraged at life. Blame it on anybody you can. Think people in need must be lazy. Simpleminded shit. Blame freeloaders, blacks, communists, socialist. Now you’re against reforming healthcare because it’s coming from left wing marxist liberal bastards who don’t respect hard working people and want to give it all to the lazy poor who want everything free. I know the type. Had to argue with them about letting blacks in pubic schools with whites. They would spit and curse and rage about what the government was doing to them. Goldwater changed later in life. Pretty much said he realized what an ass he was.
The segregationists of the past used the same exact argument as the Tea Party. Civil RIghts Laws would take away their freedom of association, it was not the business of the government to decide who can eat in a restaurant, and the Civil Rights Movement was communist inspired.
I see universal healthcare as an extension of Civil Rights, you see it as a money matter, something that benefits freeloaders, and gives government more power. You want to make sure no lazy people get nothing for free. Just the fact you think this is about people wanting something for “free” says a lot about where you are coming from.
Just saw the Tea Party screaming and throwing things at a man with Parkiinson’s who showed up at a anti health care rally.
His name is Bob. He is a former nuclear engineer with a doctorate from Cornell. Here is his reaction to being mocked by teabaggers.
Well said Tim J.
These latest comments from T123 aka think123 aka Don aka billholt are a sad sorry excuse for health care reform advocacy.
Rosa Parks embodied quiet unyielding dignity and courageous self possession in the face of authoritarian bullies enforcing the bogus moral imperatives of a willful and thoroughly corrupt ruling majority hellbent on having its way by any means it deemed necessary.
Masses of citizens from across the country are marching in the streets of our capital today for their civil rights. But they are most certainly not the zealots supporting a constantly shifting scheme to make the individual health and well being of every last American the subject of hand outs indulgences and coercions from a willful corrupt political majority.
They are the ordinary hard working citizens who simply want their health to be their own damn business and their own damn right free from the meddlings and takings of an officious state and its latest group of self righteous bullies.
No. We will not be going to the back of the bus thank you very much.
Race baiters like T123 should ask themselves how Barack Obama would be received here or by Tea Party people or by conservatives generally if he was a zealous crusader for limiting government control over people, adhering to constitutional principles and practices, expanding individual liberty and free choice, and decentralizing power away from elitist social engineers.
I for one would be bellowing praise and support to a great man. I can barely imagine just how shabbily he could expect to be treated by all those enlightened ‘post racial’ lefties.
I have one thing to say about Bob, the man with Parkinsons. The way he was treated wasn’t right and it is unkind. Those few people involved in the incident represented the Tea Party poorly, and should apologize.
However, I’d also like to look at the inverse. America has been having Tea Parties for over a year now and in every state. This is the worst behavior I have seen at any of them. Generally we leave the locations of our rallies as good or better than we found them, we are friendly and don’t engage in angry negative shouting at people, but rather smile and wave. If after a year of tea parties this one incident is the worst you have got on the movement than we are doing pretty good. That is a track record that other groups would be envious of.
T123, all I can say is that I CAN look in the mirror with a clean mind and a smile. In spite of what is going on in the country and world I haven’t done anything to be ashamed of. Rather the activities I have been involved with in the 9-12 Delaware Patriots, this blog and other groups leave me with a sense of self fulfillment. It has helped me come to know my fellow Delawarians better and gain an appreciation for them that I never would have achieved otherwise.
Tim J, I get the personalities mixed up here. You sound like a decent guy. So don’t get me wrong. I get the Tea Party. I just don’t like it when people think it’s their way or the highway, that they know the Founders and the rest of us don’t, and I really hate it we “patriots” don’t act respectful when they lose big in national elections. Lose big. I voted for Bush in 1992. When Clinton won he was my President. Sounds quaint eh? You guys are out of control.
Anon, Don’t get all over me for repeating the well stated convictions of Tea. You don’t want the government fixing nothing. Cause you just plain don’t like the government. That’s about it far as I can tell.
I just asked what side do you think you would have been on in 1964? Barry Goldwater and the Republicans who voted against the Civil Rights Act said is was socialist big government and you can’t force morality on people, or LBJ and the Democrats who pushed that legislation through said it was social justice, the right thing to do. What side would you have been on? My bet is you would be against Civil Rights. Not now. But back then in the moment you would be Tea Party against Civil Rights. Be honest. Are you saying you would have been with the Democrats? Don’t be a phony. You know who you are. The Americans With Disabilities Act faced the same resistance. Who the hell gave Washington the power to say I have to serve crippled people? Now it’s what the hell does Washington have to do with healthcare? Different issue, same song.
Maybe you guys weren’t around for Civil Rights. I was. Civil Rights was all a big government commie plot. Martin Luther King was a commie. The people with the dogs clubs and fire hoses beating back Negroes all thought they were anti communist great Americans. Everywhere you looked it was a commie plot. Years earlier Eisenhower had to send troops to move these great patriotic anti communist lovers of freedom out of the way of progress. Looks the same to me today as it did back then.
I must confess I voted for Goldwater. I was a young white guy with not enough smart to grasp the significance of what was going on, plus I came from a Republican family. We all can look back and cringe at stupid moments. I sure do.
Does not mean you are racist. No, it just means you have a backwards understanding of the role of government. A simpleminded view. You would tolerate injustice and suffering before you would sanction government curing it. And you think that you are defending “freedom”. I thought I was defending freedom, now I realize I was standing in the way of freedom.
Freedom for blacks to go anywhere, be anything. Freedom for crippled people to expand their horizons. Freedom from sickness grief financial ruin for people who cannot afford health insurance. I see the light of freedom now.
Anon, sometimes you will have to summon up the courage to appear under your own name. You seem to have a thing about my names while you hide in the shadows as little yellow “anon”. I would not waste a second trying to find your identity. I don’t care. And no, anon your health is not your own damn business. Because if you get hit by a car tonight or have a heart attack, of if your child turns blue, a whole lot of other people are going to have to come to your rescue. You say your health is you own damn business? That is nuts. We are a community. A kind and generous community. We help each other any way we can.
T123. I am glad you have calmed down some with the race baiting. I was born in 80 so I wasn’t even alive for most of what you are talking about. Check your baggage at the door because this is not about race. This is about government control. Anyways you had better come out and call me a racist (if you do be prepared) or you need to quit injecting race into a discussion of government intrusion.
We are a community. We do help each other, we even help the people beyond our community. However, what progressives are turning us into is a system where we help our government and the government does everything else. That is not a community. That is not helping each other. It is cold and impersonal. It robs us of an element of community and humanity in the name of helping everyone.
You have bragged about how you fought against Communism in the past, yet finaly I am starting to see how things fit together. Your fight against Communism is one you regret, because you now feel that you were fighting against freedom in the process. According to your story it looks like you fought against civil rights under the mindset that you were fighting Communism so now you associate fighting Communism with being against Civil Rights. You link Capitalism with oppression because of mistakes you made. That is your problem, not mine. Please stop trying to peg it on others.
Tim, what is cold and impersonal about this new legislation? When some family turned down for insurance because of pre-existing condition now get covered, will they say this is impersonal? Is there something cold about telling insurance companies they can’t pocket anymore than 20% of our premium dollars? When a small business or individual is able to buy insurance at group rates? Let’s get down to the nuts and bolts of solving problems. I don’t feel warm and fuzzy or cold and impersonal much of this. It’s public policy for God’s sake. Are you saying our local neighborhood association has a way to stop premiums from doubling?
No I have no regrets about fighting communism. Not sure were that came from. I regret no being smart enough to understand Civil Rights. So partisan, if Republicans were against it so was I.
Everybody was fighting communism back then because there really were communists with huge armies saying they were going to bury us. In grade school we all got taught to “duck and cover” under our desks preparing for the moment Soviet missiles came in loaded with 10 megaton hydrogen bombs. So it was quite a different scene as far as communists go. Then they set up a base in Cuba. For you Cuba has always been Communist. For me, it scared the shit out of us when they took over Cuba in 1960. We fought them with guns and our intellect until finally in 1989 it all came crashing down. Not just the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe but the whole idea that Marxism Leninism was a viable alternative to Americanism.
I never fought against Civil Rights more like an observer. I was Republican, Civil Rights was Democrat. Simple as that. Had nothing to do with communism in my mind. Just had to do with the government telling people what to do, how to act. Demcrats like that stuff. My folk don’t.
No, capitalism is not oppression. Capitalism is good. Very good. That is why I was anti-communist. Capitalism and freedom go hand in hand. As long as the government controls it. Otherwise, Capitalism is like a nuclear reactor. For all the good it does it can create a lot of poison too. I made lots of money in the wonderful world of free markets. I would like to make a lot more. Just so you know where I’m coming from.
Did I brag about fighting communism? I was never in the military. Fought it mostly on paper like this.
I think it is outrageous to smear a quarter of the people who identify as part of the Tea Party Movement. Did you notice that one of the President’s relatives was at the rally today? It is outrageous. I would love to compare civil rights and community action records with you. I have done my time, what have you done?
And no, anon your health is not your own damn business. Because if you get hit by a car tonight or have a heart attack, of if your child turns blue, a whole lot of other people are going to have to come to your rescue. You say your health is you own damn business? That is nuts.
All I can say is wow that really about sums up the mentality we are up against.
The mere possibility that anyone might need emergency medical care from others makes every aspect of everyone’s personal health the business of government — or should I say the “community”.
Then surely you must agree that because there may somewhere sometime be a pregnant woman needing an abortion to save her life that abortion as a health impacting medical procedure is just as much everyone else’s – the “community’s” – business as your cardiac treatment in an emergency room?
Now that abortion like every other aspect of people’s health is the “community’s” business and surely something the “community” must require everyone in the “community” to help out with as their “business” you must then have no problem if the “community” deems that any abortion not performed strictly to save the mother’s life is a risk to every pregnant women’s health that the “community” can’t permit.
You definitely don’t sound like a “keep your laws off my body” kinda guy. If only we had an appropriate term for your “communityism”. Oh that’s right we do. Let me fix that for you : commun
ityism.Don:
“Did I brag about fighting communism? I was never in the military. Fought it mostly on paper like this.”
Just for the record concerning your bragging about fighting Communism, I chose two examples of several. Also note that I never credited you with military service, but his is why I made that connection. You brag about fighting Communism when is helps your point but in this thread you clearly associate the fight with Communism, the Republican Party, and so on with behavior you are ashamed of and dispise.
12/28/09 – Don as Think123 in response to thread “Every Man for Himself”
“Well I guess me and all the friends I know who fought here at home and abroad and died in faraway places like Vietnam and Korea fighting the communists for fifty years, now have to put up with ignorant young people calling us “Marxist Bastards” just because we support the President.”
12/17/09 – Don as Think123 in response to “GOP: Status Quo or Giant Leap Forward”
“As an older guy who spent a lifetime fighting Marxist imperialism, who sighed with relief when the Soviet Union and the Wall went down – I find it totally mindless to use the word marxist to describe any of our domestic policy or our President.”
Save your time and effort Timothy. Our resident sock puppeteer Don-billholt-T123-think123 (confused much?) is a typical greedy baby boomer limousine leftist. He got his when the gettin’ was good and now he is all about his blessed government gettin’ yours along with the rest of you “ignorant young people”. It’s for your own good that billholt calls you a racist and demands that your health is his business.
This wealthy old communist has no clue what young people are facing today trying to eke out a living and still have something left over at the end of the day for your own hopes and dreams that aren’t what his leftist cohorts deems worthwhile.
Hey anon, for a guy with a thing for names you sure weasel behind “anon”. Almost as good as wearing a hood eh? How about we call you Joe Blow? Listen up Joe. You’re facing the same thing I faced. The gettin’ is always good in America. You have to make in the world dude. Don’t make excuses. Blame me for doing okay, and you’re not? All I ever did was work my ass off and be respectful of others. Try it. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. We made prosperity out of nothing because we didn’t waste time fighting the National Highway System all worried about the big government taking over our cars. We didn’t spend all our time listening to entertainers on radio and TV tell us what to hate, what to think. Back then men like Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Reagan formed American political thought. Not Rush Limbaugh. Not Glen Beck. So we had a big advantage. Our minds were not full of corporate cable radio horseshit talk aimed at screwing our minds then selling us headache pills.
Tim, what do you think of the way anon here makes his argument? Is that the way it should be done? Is he the guy that was harassing the gent with Parkinson’s? You can’t let this stuff pass and expect to have a respected movement.
Regarding the bragging about fighting communism. I don’t have much to brag about I did not mean to brag. Just saying I was involved in my little way. Proud of that.
I don’t despise that part of the Republican Party that was against Civil Rights in 1964. Like I said I kind of agree the government had no business telling people what to do. We thought we knew it all, but somehow the truth eluded us. I regret the ignorance, I don’t despise the ignorant.
Sure we were all anti-communist. But I never thought Civil Rights or Medicare were communist socialist plots like so many did. I was not worried about my own government.
We were worried about the real foreign communist superpower that was vowing to bury us. We saw the huge armies. The Red Flag. The aggression. They said they wanted to conquer the world, take down the United States and our Constitution so the whole world would be Marxist-Leninist. Now that was a real live communist threat. Way different than worrying about health care reform being communist. That’s why it looks ignorant to me to talk about debate about American legislation like it has something to do with “communism”.
My dad’s generation knocked of the Nazis. My generation faced down the Marxists. This generation has to deal with the jihadis. Just seems to me a lot of energy is being wasted fighting the government of the United States. More afraid of our democratically elected Commander In Chief than anything else. Looks backward to me.
Are there two anons? The decent one who made a point about abortion, and the nutty one who thinks being for health reform legislation has something to do with communism?
Yes there are at least two. ‘anon’ is the customary brand name for people who don’t care to establish a unique ID. It is getting a little out of hand though so I’ll knock it off for a while.
Blahblahblahbillholt. You have a bad habit of wandering off into the fantasy world in which your years and supposed heavy lifting have made you wise. The arrogant self importance of spoiled baby boomers like yourself is just breathtaking. Yet you all continue onward screwing up the world after being handed the kingdom and its keys by your parents’ generation and their sacrifices. None of you can seem to let go so you clamor to saddle future generations even beyond your graves. You grabbed all you could while you could and now you want to tell the rest of us how to live — without the same freedoms you damn sure took advantage of. Well nuts to that and nuts to you. There is nothing to be proud of with what you and your generation have done to this world and continue doing to it. So please save us the fruity 60′s daydreams and self righteous preening. Also I’ll be as anon as I please. You should try sticking with one name on here. The name shifting makes you seem all the more schizoid.
Anon, good answer. I got an idea for you. Don’t read my stuff. Don’t answer.
The hilarious part is my generation got what we could with way higher tax rates. We knew it cost money to keep a big prosperous country rolling along. You must be one of those new free lunch babies that voted in all those tax cuts thinking that was what freedom was about. Now you moan and whine about the debt you got conned into by phony conservatives. All I can say is – sucker.
Did you now people used to get polio all the time? The government cured that for us. When the Government built I-95 people grabbed shovels. Now all you can do is whine? Put down your wireless mouse, grab a shovel. I see guys who don’t even speak english nailing wood for the new boardwalk in Rehoboth. Must not be enough of you soft handed young whiners to do the job. Least you could do is keep you mouth shut while hard working people do what needs to be done. Why don’t you see if you can get a job building something if things are so tough for you.
You have way more freedom than my generation had ever had. Heck, I know black guys my age who could not even get into U of D or get hired at Fortune 500. Women would never be allowed to even have a basketball team in school. We had to pass laws for that. Ever have that kind of “freedom” problem? Or just the “theoretical” loss of freedom Glen Beck tells you about.
All talk. No detail. What freedom are you lacking? TV not big enough?
You have way more freedom than my generation had ever had.
But you and statist parasites like you sure are working overtime to fix that aren’t ya billy?
Your knee jerk little stereotypes about anyone who calls you out on anything (Glenn Beck Limbaugh listening, racist, ignorant etc etc) reveal a pathetically narrow mind. You should get out more.