The Declaration of Independence and “That All Men Are Created Equal”

An Important issue has come up with the words, “That all men are created equal,” recently on another thread on this site. These are some of the most famous words in The Declaration of Independence and could not be more unclear when subjected to closer scrutiny. This is a quote from the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these end, it is the right of the people to alter of abolish it and to institute new government, laying the foundation on such principles and organizing it powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
I was asked recently on another thread on this site if the words, “that all men” meant, all mankind or just all men. Well apparently this question has been up for debate very many times since it was written. As you can see the writer uses the word mankind towards the end of the quote. What do you think his intentions were? I would like to invite good intelligent debate that addresses this subject matter and keep it clean, meaning nobody is to be personally attacked for opinions.

206 thoughts on “The Declaration of Independence and “That All Men Are Created Equal””

  1. Ain’t no government program, ain’t no education, that is going to change human nature.

    Except a government program to criminalize abortion so that people can be educated by Corrections Corporation of America? I’m not sure what the answers are if local governments, family and self-government fail at all levels. Maybe that’s why some control freaks seem so anxious to destroy the family and self-government, so then the central government financed by the bankers can step in to own (I mean save…) them and the planet or whatever else.

    In any event, in the end… you can kill babies without being imprisoned but you can’t trade or grow marijuana in America Inc. In fact, even trading in raw milk or local produce seems to have more consequences than trying to profit from killing your own offspring. On the one hand… raid, guns drawn to protect people from their own diarrhea!! Put those people in prison! While on the other, there is no protection and little regulation.

    Apparently the federal government can protect people from themselves and their own diarrhea and perhaps sodas that are too big to drink to if NYC is a model, yet the $tate simply cannot protect the least of these from almost anything happening to them. Although moral degenerates finally caved with respect to sticking scissors in the back of the heads of babies and sucking their brains out… well, last time I checked. If there is animal cruelty (and there certainly is), can’t there also be cruelty to the unborn?

  2. “I’m not sure what the answers are if local governments, family and self-government fail at all levels.”

    That may be the crux of it. In systems thinking we express things as systems and system of systems and other sundry techno babble. But it simply because we recognize that nothing exists in isolation. While some may sneer at that with a Gaia comment, the simple truth is that things are interconnected. When programs are created, there is an unrealistic expectation is that program, by itself, is the solution or will achieve the solution. On the other hand, many try to ameliorate this interdependency by create comprehensive programs almost always turn out to be not comprehensive. The idea, if it were to ever take hold, is that there are aspects of culture, family, industry, media, et al that must act in concert on an idea, an objective. Such was the case when we decided to enter the space race. Once that became the imperative every facet of America internalized the same objective. It was just the government, or industry, it was the kids, the culture, the media. Everyone was on board. Both the parties forget those lessons. None more so than what passes for the GOP today.

  3. Both the parties forget those lessons. None more so than what passes for the GOP today.

    ….with respect to the “polarization” or the wedge issues that are now being used to manipulate people in all levels of the “media matrix” or the trendy liberal lemmings evolving their own “system” in general, the material of satire is the result. Lean forward… right off the precipice?

    It’s to the point where the main question remaining seems to be what “the base” can be convinced of. For example, in the case of regulating or even criminalizing abortion as contrasted to the case for regulating or criminalizing drugs here is an example of some hefty regulations and intense amount of “caring” about people’s health:Tour of Closed Abortion Clinic

    I guess it’s like Delaware Liberal. I haven’t read it in a while but you can’t have a bunch of people wallowing around in their own obscenities and then supposedly have some rainbow of tolerance, life and love at the end of it all. That’s not what they’re going to produce. Gaia moment… it’s all connected.

    But if we can’t get better political representation out of people who are supposed to be caring and empathetic because they’ve been corrupted by their abortion rites, what then? The cold arms of “I like this killer of a twelve year old because he’s so creative! Is it time to tear apart the body politic yet?” Ayn Rand or perhaps more “right wingers” occupying their Bohemian* groves while entertaining themselves with the idea of cremating care or burning an infant in effigy? (After all, they’ll send in the infantry later. They’re very patriotic, these people.)

    Right…. whoa… deja vu, that’s enough for now. Consciousness, it’s a mystery that no tool or bit of technology from either the Right or the Left can seem to get a “hand”le on to manipulate and control… isn’t it? But deep within brain events that themselves arose from a void there is a technique…. just kidding!

    *Note the rather mundane realities of people entertaining themselves with paganism, entertaining as it may be on a short timeline:

    The Bohemian Club’s all-male membership includes artists, particularly musicians, as well as many prominent business leaders, government officials (including U.S. presidents), senior media executives, and people of power. Members may invite guests to the Grove although those guests are subject to a screening procedure. …. Bohemian club members can schedule private day-use events at the Grove any time it is not being used for Club-wide purposes, and are allowed at these times to bring spouses, family and friends, though female and minor guests must be off the property by 9 or 10 pm. –Wikipedia

  4. “Here’s a very arguable point, just when does a fetus become a living human being with a soul. We all disagree on that point! I say it is at conception.”

    We actually disagree on the existence of a “soul” as well. Since a soul can’t be measured, I think it’s more fruitful to talk about measurable milestones — for example, implantation of the fertilized egg in the vaginal wall (the definition of pregnancy), a functional nervous system, the “quickening,” or viability outside the womb.

  5. Geezer #203–

    I agree w/ you in principle, but you’ve made a colossal mistake. Pregnancy occurs when a fertilized egg is implanted in the UTERINE wall.

    The vagina is also known as the “birth canal”. A full term fetus spends anywhere from a few minutes to several hours in the vagina.

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