Speaker Pelosi To Raise Debt Limit
Dec 10th, 2009 by Frank Knotts
Speaker Pelosi has announced her intention to raise the national debt limit, well since we are dangerously close to passing it, I guess it would be a good idea to raise it. You know so it at least looks like we are not piling debt upon debt.
Let’s be real this is not the first time this has been done, if only it were. This is like when you max out your credit cards and the company is nice enough to raise your limit so that you can continue to spend more money you don’t have. And can’t pay back. And exactly why do we have limits if they can be raised ?
What bothers me about Speaker Pelosi’s plan to raise the debt limit is the fact that she has stated her intention to plop the request smack in the middle of an upcoming vote for a military funding bill. She also has admitted that she is doing this to make it difficult for Republicans to vote against it. I try very hard to keep it clean when writing these blog post , but this woman is pushing me to the limit.
How dare she play political games with the lives of our military . We have people in harm’s way and she is playing smoke and mirrors with their funding.
The Republican leadership has said that they will oppose this move to raise the debt limit. Even if it means voting down the funding. Of course the lap dog liberal media will point out the Republicans voting no, but will fail to point out that Speaker Pelosi is a conniving , good for nothing , low down piece of liberal crap.
I support the Republicans voting no to kill this attempt at a very ugly shell game. It would seem that Ms. Pelosi has no problem being the face of evil for the Democrat party.
The Republicans need to get out in front on this by telling the American people exactly why they are voting no and also telling the nation what a bunch of cowardly finks the Democrats and their party leadership really are .
To sink this low, to pass a bill to allow the Democrats to spend even more of our children’s money , only demonstrated to what depths the Democrats and their supporters will go , to forward their fascist agendas.
People discuss the possibility of our economy crashing in the future, but the better question might be, will China allow it to crash? The left would have us believe that the U.S. is hated around the world for the actions of the Bush administration, but the truth is that foreign nations are growing uneasy about our current leadership’s effort to, seemingly, purposely destroy the economy. If America falls as a consequence of the irresponsible actions of our government, who will stand between the powers of the world and our people?
The Republican Party is irrelevant both locally and nationally. They have neither a message nor a leader to deliver it. You can not be constantly against everything with no vision of your own to share. Recent polling illustrates that they are moving to third party status. The true head of the Delaware GOP, Mike Castle, is in a real quandary. He is incapable of throwing the right wingers the red meat that they are yearning for, in order to gain their support, without alienating the D’s and I’s that he needs in the general election. If he is in a primary that goes until September, he could be beat up enough to lose to a credible D in November. With any message being damaging to some constituency, it seems that the Congressman’s message is no message. The D’s have absolute power and are absolutely corrupted by it. Buckle up. We’re going for a long ride.
To Mr. Knotts’ point, Anbupro, are you for or against raisiing the debt limit? You didn’t seem to address the issue of the post.
I completely agree with Mr. Knotts regarding the debt ceiling. Unfortunately, we are deluding ourselves if we think that the Republicans are going to get out in front of any issue. There is a tremendous amount of wasted energy railing against the current DC culture that could move mountains if harnessed by effective leadership. We have allowed both our Dover and DC elected officials to assume the stature of royalty. The original concept of a legislator was someone who put down their plow to serve the public and then went back to the farm. In today’s world they leave the farm forever in order to plow their constituents. I’m tired of being plowed.
“The Republican Party is irrelevant both locally and nationally. They have neither a message nor a leader to deliver it. You can not be constantly against everything with no vision of your own to share.” – Anbupro
Amen…amen…Even with their recent moves here in Delaware, Rakestraw, Ross and the rest haven’t got the foggiest clue what they’re doing. They’re out there doing NOTHING, saying NOTHING and being NOTHING. If they grew a set and stood on PRINCIPLES like many of us have asked them to, they’d be heroes.
Look I’ll be honest with you here, it’s the ones drawing fire from the left that are the ones we should be supporting. It’s the ones that the Republican party is ignoring that we should be pumping up and it’s the ones unafraid to speak out that we should stand behind. Copeland, Protack, Bonini, Wagner… and yes O’Donnell are the ones who can really DO something to change Dover and D.C. Our Open Government is only open because of people like Charlie Copeland who MADE it a public issue. Political reform and specifically GOP reform are things that all of these people have fought for over the years. It’s time to seek out the candidates who we agree with in PRINCIPLE…not necessarily the one the GOP or the Dems trot out in front of us.
The Republican Party is irrelevant both locally and nationally…
Then why didn’t the Socialist-Democrats get their ‘public option’ into the healthcare bill?
Pelosi, and the Democrat-led Congress have abysmally low poll numbers. Obama has the lowest number, at this stage of his presidency, than any president in the 75 year history of Gallup. It’s true that a conservative ‘leader’ has not yet emerged; however, it’s extremely likely that the Republicans will gain 30-40 seats in the ’10 House races.
Face it- everything Obama has done has failed. As he goes down the drain, so does his party. BO’s ‘hope and change’ hysteria had the longevity of a housefly.
It was public outrage, generated outside of the GOP, that has put on the brakes. There are a few GOP legislators who have had the courage to speak out, but many are just doing what is necessary to continue their gorging at the public trough. Obama is president because people voted against Bush. Any successes that come at the ballot box in 2010 will be due to people voting against Obama. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a government populated by people that we voted FOR?
Anbupro, if that is your real name, in your #7 post you said a mouthful. As I said in my original post, this is not the first time the debt limit has been raised and I’m sure that the Republicans have at some point played a part in raising it. My real point is the fact that Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats have no problem trying to hide behind the needs of our brave military to try and get this passed, by placing it in the bill for funding the military . If they truly feel it is the right thing to do then bring it up on its own merits and vote on it out in the open.
But the Speaker has decided to take the cowards way , she is nothing but a hand puppet for Pres. Obama.
It was public outrage, generated outside of the GOP, that has put on the brakes…
‘Public outrage’ doesn’t have a seat, or a vote, in the U.S. Senate; Republicans do.
I’ll try one more time, but you may be drinking too much of the GOP Kool-Aid. Career politicians only care about being re-elected. They respond to the extent that they need to in order to keep getting re-elected. When they hear the war drums beating, they start to get alarmed and respond to their constituents. That is what happened, not responsiveness to the RNC.
Okay Anbupro, I have no idea how what you said relates to what I said. And your last sentence,”That is what happened, not responsiveness to the RNC.” seems like nothing but an attempt to put RNC into some sort of negative sentence. Obviously your Kool-Aid has a little something extra in it.
Again if the Democrats wish to debate the debt limit, then put it out there as a stand alone bill and force everyone , Democrat and Republicans to vote on it and it alone . This would leave no cover for the Republicans who would vote for it, they couldn’t say they only voted for it because it was part of the military funding bill.
Hows that for some Kool-Aid ?
Frank, I agree with what you have said mostly. My response was to Rick regarding his loyalty to the GOP. The GOP has no credibility to get out in front of any issue, and hasn’t really shown a desire to do so. Just as Carter’s ineptness opened the door for Reagan, Bush and the GOP congress opened the door for Obama and his ilk. Politics is cyclical, but I don’t see any GOP leadership to reverse this negative cycle. There will be GOP gains in the next election due to buyer’s remorse over Obama, not due to any great strides by the GOP. Just to be perfectly clear, I find the GOP leadership on an equal footing with the gang who couldn’t shoot straight.
My apologies,Anbupro, I guess we do agree on that. And as for Rick, if I can just say from what I know of him, he gives as much to the GOP as he does to the Democrats, but we all have our loyalties and biases.
I’ll try one more time, but you may be drinking too much of the GOP Kool-Aid.
I don’t care how many times you try to rationalize; here’s what you originally said:
The Republican Party is irrelevant both locally and nationally.
Try one more time; if Republicans are irrelevant,’ why haven’t the Socialist-Democrats rammed-through their socialized medicine bill?
Rick….Frank…Anbupro is making an excellent point here and either Rick is too fired up to see it, or partisan politics is playing a role in the ignorance of the facts.
Ask us 6 months to a year ago what the GOP was doing to stop the Obama machine and all of us would be hardpressed to tell you. Palin, Beck, Hannity and a handful of Congressmen and Senators (not ONE of them from Delaware I might add) were vocal in their opposition and public in their condemnations of the Obama administration plans.
It took TEA Parties, 9-12 rallies and the organization of tens of THOUSANDS of local grass roots groups along with tens of millions of letters, phone calls and emails to arouse the GOP from its slumber. It took a September 12th rally on the steps of the Capitol where over 1 million American citizens came together to make their voices heard. It took more phone calls, meetings and to be honest even those things would not have worked in my opinion had we in that grassroots movement not made it clear to our candidates in office that we would VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE if they did not start representing us.
Make no mistake Rick, the GOP and the Republicans in congress are the ones casting the votes (with a few smart blue dog Dems) but they’re puppets no different than the Liberal Dems are puppets. Only the GOP are now puppets of the people. Puppets of the grassroots movements that rose up to ensure that these things did not pass. Cap and Trade passed the House with very mixed Republican support. It’s STUCK in the Senate now. Why? Because Americans made a BIG DEAL out of it when they caught wind of it. Don’t give me any nonsense that the GOP is strong in opposition to the Dems. The GOP is following the will of the people (as it should) but it’s waiting for the people to come out against things before it acts when it should be bringing things to the people to be reviewed.
Locally, if you’re going to tell me the Delaware GOP is a relevant opponent to the Democrats you’re blinded by the party blanket. Their hardly different than the Dems. There’s a few out there who are speaking out and strongly opposing the weaknesses of Markell. That are attacking his tax hikes, pay cuts and destruction of industry for his green agenda but you can count them on one hand. Hell I can pretty much count them on 2 fingers. Colin and Charlie are the only really open and vocal opponents. The so called “leader” of the party Mike Castle agrees with half of the Markell garbage and Ross, Rakestraw and the rest are such inadequate and inept leaders that the GOP’s only hope of ever becoming a force to be reckoned with is to eliminate them.
So Anbupro is in essence correct. Without the conservative grassroots revolt, the GOP nationally and locally would be irrelevant. The only thing that saved and is still saving them is a citizen led nonviolent DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTION.
Of course with all this said let’s go back to the headline:
Raising the debt ceiling is like getting an increase on your credit card limit because you can’t pay the bill.
Thanks for bringing it around Evan . As for whether the GOP is relevant or not, well I believe it won’t be until we the voters force it to be. Until we force the leadership to listen, and that may mean leaving it for a time for more conservative candidates.
Frank,
The movement is now, I say why not just go get it, go do it, use the heavy hand of the people to reset GOP leadership. Start at the state level and work up. It’s just a matter of starting the war. What we need is a peaceful “Boston Massacre”. One where the people rise up against the party leadership and tell Ross and Rakestraw that they are NO LONGER OK. How? Money…give it to PAC’s…give it to Conservative candidates directly and give it to third parties. Boycott the GOP.
You will not be successful boycotting the GOP because no one at the Cannery cares. You need to engage at the local level. There are seven regions. Sussex is the most functional, followed by Brandywine. There is a linear decline of functionality as you move through the rest. A large group of like minded individuals could easily assume many of the leadership roles that go wanting in these other regions. You will also find that local GOP elected officials respond proportionately to the effectiveness of their regions. At the state committee level, they don’t have the juice to put someone into or out of office so they get no respect from the Dover royalty.
Make no mistake Rick, the GOP and the Republicans in congress are the ones casting the votes…
Thus, Republicans are not ‘irrelevant,’ which was my only point.
I will add a secondary point; tea parties had better work for change within the Republicans Party. A third-party movement would be an unmitigated disaster for conservatives.
Evan, I have said the exact same thing about donations, do not give it to the GOP to hand out to people like Mike Castle, give it directly to candidates that you wish to support. And I agree with Rick , the TEA party movement as a third party will doom conservatism at a time that we stand a good chance of making real gains. The TEA party movement should use their influence to work for more conservative candidates.
“I will add a secondary point; tea parties had better work for change within the Republicans Party. A third-party movement would be an unmitigated disaster for conservatives.” – Rick
I say…GOOD…because the GOP (especially here in Delaware) doesn’t get it. I’m personally FINE with killing the Republican Party and emerging better on the other side. That spirit of success and failure? Yea, it starts now. Unless the GOP changes on its own, it must be allowed to fail and rebuilds (that’s how we got Lincoln…and Reagan). Like GM…let it fail.
“And I agree with Rick , the TEA party movement as a third party will doom conservatism at a time that we stand a good chance of making real gains. The TEA party movement should use their influence to work for more conservative candidates.” – Frank
IF the GOP would stand for Conservative principles, bak conservative candidates and renounce it’s liberal leanings I know the TEA Partiers would do just what you say. Problem is that the GOP won’t do it. They’re SO much smarter than everyone else and they know what is best (despite consistent losses over the last 20 years) and THAT is why they will not get the TEA Partiers and 9-12ers.
What most people are missing here is that alot of the “TEA Partiers” and “9-12ers” aren’t even Republicans. Most are Independents and Republicans who are disenfranchised but a good chunk are Democrats who are fed up with the progressive agenda. The Delaware GOP has Democrats to the right of it…which is really a sad comment on a party that wants to be respected by conservatives.
See the problem is that while the GOP and moderate Republicans have a fluid belief system (depends on what the polls say) where as TEA Partiers, 9-12ers and conservatives have courage, conviction and principles.