So Enforcing the Law Actually Works!!!
Jul 26th, 2010 by Tennessee Walker
According to Reuters, illegal aliens are packing up and leaving Arizona in advance of the date that the law becomes operational. Reuters is doing the typical liberal whining and crying that it is bad news that those who have blatantly violated the laws of our land are packing up and leaving.
Now one has to consider the source, Reuters, but if this is in the least bit true then we have a win for the good guys. For years the amnesty crowd has said that one can’t get rid of the millions of illegal aliens in our midst. Well it appears that all one really has to do is to pass a law that the law breakers believe will actually be enforced.
The Reuters article is here. Read about the yard sales and the big moves to Mexico and New Mexico. Gosh, where is the amnesty crowd at a time like this? I thought this law was going to make these folks part of the permanent underclass.
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2514063220100725
For years the amnesty crowd has said that one can’t get rid of the millions of illegal aliens in our midst..
Try a pickup truck with five guys with shotguns in the back…
“Let’s take us a little ride to the circle….”
I don’t even want to ask what Rick means. I guess ignorance is bliss.
I always believed that if we cover the magnet the clippings would fall. We do not need painful deportation if we cut the money magnet. Seal the borders and enforce the laws then we can talk.
i’m with David. The Arizona law mirrors the Federal Law. Since everyone knows that the Federal Law has not and certainly will not be enforced under Obama, Illegal Aliens have nothing to fear. The policy of actual enforcement is causing the Illegal Aliens to make real choices that any other law abiding person must make. It is amazing to me that the amnesty crowd is constantly calling for new legislation when the existing law has never been enforced.
I don’t even want to ask what Rick means. I guess ignorance is bliss.
Let me fill you in…’the circle’ is in Georgetown and ‘illegal aliens’ are criminals. Get it?
Instead of 5 guys with shotguns, Rick, can we just have enforcement by the Delaware State Police around the Circle in Georgetown?
Let’s pass the Arizona Law in Delaware.
I don’t care much for the new law, but like Arizona, let’s start with the employer sanctions law first:
Instead of 5 guys with shotguns, Rick, can we just have enforcement by the Delaware State Police around the Circle in Georgetown?
Sure, we could, TW. But remember, the left likes to promote the notion that authorities would be ‘overwhelmed,’ that we just couldn’t round-up all of the illegal invaders.
Well, citizen-deputies would solve that ‘problem.’
Well, citizen-deputies would solve that ‘problem.’
And create a bunch of new problems.
Self-deportation is so much nicer.
DSP does not have either a signed memorandum of understanding (287(g) ) with ICE nor jurisdiction in Georgetown.
I suppose the question of the day is now this:
Rick – are you inciting violence and encouraging others to take the law into their own hands – in other words – vigilanteism?? mob rule??? lynch mobs??
Dave – the ostrich routine will not work now – do you or do you not – allow the inciting of violence here??
this is not a joke, nor is it funny -folks – this is dangerous, scary stuff
and if someone gets hurt I hope you are willing to bear the burden on your souls
Rick – are you inciting violence and encouraging others to take the law into their own hands – in other words – vigilanteism?? mob rule??? lynch mobs??
No- a sworn militia enforcing the laws that BO and the feds won’t.
this is not a joke, nor is it funny -folks – this is dangerous, scary stuff
Don’t go out tomorrow, it’s going to be sunny- you may see your shadow.
I tend to let authors control their own post. TW rebutted it with his point of view and I mine. He is not inciting violence to propose rounding people up. I think he is dead wrong, it is vigilantism and can only cause problems. On that issue we have to strongly disagree with his approach.
ok David -suppose he grabs one of your kids from the school – suppose he grabs Noel?? however if he takes his sworn miitia out and someone gets hurt be prepared for whatever comes down the pike next- that will land on your lap. And I don’t think your Board would approve.
How is he going to round people up without violence – no one has to obey him – he cannot give a lawful order?? He is NOT a law enforcement officer in the state – nor does he have 287(g) or Title 8 authority – therefore he has no standing.
So he’s gonna do what exactly, pick some guy out beause of what determining factor exactly, race?? ethnicity and then what put him under a shotgun to hold him?/ lay hands on him?? what – and you don’t think this is a violent act – I can count about 4 Civil rights violations right there – big jail time for those – then the Title 11 violations – kidnapping, assault, terrorestic threatening – add Federal Hate crimes to it and he will collect Social Security in prison for quite some time
altho I can guarantee one thing – if Rick persues this with his “sworn militia” (sworn in and sworn to whom -by the way?) he has no standing to enforce anything, immigration law or otherwise – and will himself end up in the wrong side of the law. What DOES illegal look like???
can you imagine if this idiot went and did drug sweeps in bad neighborhoods?? with his militia – he would be doing more time than the drug dealers.
so basically, another Colley blowhard coward hiding behind his telephone and keyboard…with delusions of granduer..and a sworn militia – that’s a funny one!!
see you in the crime section of the local paper Rick!! cannot wait! (with you as the featured criminal of course) in handcuffs and shackels – shuffling along like every other perp – eyes averted in disgrace – see the picture, this is your future- maybe even housed with Earl Bradley and Derek Powelll – two other fine Delaware INMATES – I’m not afraid of you or any other shadow – you’re just the second coming of the same old cavalry.
That would be how it works. If the old AG would try to ignore the state constitution and undermine Sheriff Reed, do you really think they would buy that argument of a citizen militia? I don’t think he does. He is just saying how he thinks it could be done. I think it would be scary to have a bunch of guys with shot guns going around and demanding papers from people who don’t look right. No potential for abuse there.
That is a larger stream of thinking than a. w. thinks so I welcome addressing it and debating it. I don’t think we should hide from it because that will not make it go away.
You have three points of view. Get posse’s across the country to round people up, just enforce the laws, or have amnesty. There really are only 3 ways to deal with the issue. I think enforcing the laws is the best by far. Then we can adjust the numbers by the market demand.
“..altho (sic) I can guarantee one thing – if Rick persues (sic) this with his “sworn militia” (sworn in and sworn to whom -by the way?) he has no standing to enforce anything…
A sworn militia remains under the control of the state(s), except when called into the actual service of the federal government…that’s in the U.S. Constitution.
“I suppose the question of the day is now this:
Rick – are you inciting violence and encouraging others to take the law into their own hands – in other words – vigilanteism?? mob rule??? lynch mobs??
Dave – the ostrich routine will not work now – do you or do you not – allow the inciting of violence here??”
So AW you ask Rick if he is inciting violence and before Rick can answer you answer your own question by accusing Dave of allowing Rick to incite violence. Nice try. If you want a clarification from Rick at least give him a chance to do so before you attack David for allowing the incitement of violence.
The point of this post and article is that the Arizona approach appears to have some success in having illegal aliens voluntarily return to their nation of origin.
Now for any regular reader here, rick is known for including the terms “No good, Socialist, Commie….” somewhere in the post. He certainly has a point of view that is expressed consistently in over the top terms. We do edit and delete posts for not following certain guidelines. David has this ability and so do I. I probably edit as much as anyone.
Based on most of Rick’s Posts, I consider him mainly bark and no bite. If I truly believed he was making any attempt at inciting violence I would not only shut down his posting but I would inform the correct authorities. Ultimately, David does have the end responsibility since the site is in his name but he and I tend to share the same philosophy.
Now, I have stated that my position is that the Delaware General Assembly should pass the Arizona Law. You are correct that the DSP does not have jurisdiction in Georgetown. The Arizona Law would give the authority to the Local Police such as the Georgetown Police.
I believe the local police would handle any new Arizona type situation effeciently and effectively. I don’t believe we need any type of citizen militia.
With all that being said, I don’t care for Rick’s Imagery of 5 guys with shotguns at the Circle In Georgetown from comment 1 . I think this statement is not good for this debate nor my position in this debate. I think the Imagery of Rick’s statement is abhorrent as it ignores the historic nature of 5 guys with shotguns in a pickup in the Civil Rights History of this Nation from the 1920′s to 1960′s.
David and I gently chided Rick for this at the time. Hopefully, rick will get it that using provacative Imagery can actually hurt what may be an intellectually defensible argument. Having read much of Rick’s comments over time I do think this comment is hyperbole. David and I do think that those who make comments should be judged on the basis of their comments first and foremost. In a forum as open as this one is, we are confident that the flaws in the arguments or even the style of someone can be exposed by the intelligent viewers of this blog.