A town hall meeting turned nasty leaving one person with minor injuries in Tampa, FL. What you hardly notice in the story is that the SEIU organizers injured the opponent of the President’s reform. The President called for his people to show up to the meetings to counter the opponents. In St. Louis and Tampa they did though in smaller numbers.
In Tampa they tried to shut many of the opponents out of the meeting injuring one man who is contemplating filing charges. If you read the first third and bottom of the story, you would get the impression that it was that rowdy 9-12 project’s fault. If you read carefully, you will see that it was the President’s Organizing America and the SEIU took the early seats and tried to muscle the doors closed on the regular people.
The meeting was organized by Reed plus the Service Employees International Union, other unions and Organizing for America, a liberal group that grew out of the Obama presidential campaign.
Some opponents accused the organizers of trying to stack the crowd by allowing early admission to those on their side. Reed denied that, saying those admitted early were organizers setting up the room.
In St Louis, the President’s supporters put a conservative activist in the hospital. There were 4 arrests plus 2 others in related incidents.
A technique of authoritarian regimes is to create an incident, cause problems, and then blame the other side for what they did. Why are we seeing that in America? First the Democratic National Committee (DNC) sets it up with its Mob ad. The President calls out the muscle. The media is predisposed to look for angry conservative mobs. The muscle then creates an incident. The propaganda machine dutifully repeats the message. People are urged to spy on and turn in the dangerous dissenters. The step that we haven’t seen is the left trying to use the pretext of law and order to put down the dissent. Preventing that outcome is why I am speaking out.
DNC, SEIU, Organizing America, and whomever else stop it. This is still the USA not your authoritarian paradise. We have rights and we will not be intimidated. Let them speak.
Rather than take any glee in this devolution, we should step back and reset the clock. Some rules to counter the GOP’s mandate that their side disrupt as a mob and refuse to let anyone be heard. And in at least one case, a Dem. official was assaulted by your side.
Let’s not pretend that there is only one side of the story. Let’s insist that both sides go politely to these meetings to ask questions and listen to each other and the answers given.
You are better than this Dave.
I hope they try that around here. It’s time to start kicking some left-wing, commie ass. Send ‘em to hell.
Nice, Rick. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are trying to be funny. This isn’t very funny to me. We will just be encouraging more militant responses from the powerful if we stray from the tenets of a civilized society.
I dearly hope one of our Senators will have a public meeting on Wilmington’s East Side, and Rick shows up. There will definitely be some ass kicking.
Nancy. Please. Obama’s whole M.O. as a “community organizer” was to get in people’s faces and get raucous at whatever meeting(s). And who CARES if some of the anti-healthcare protests are organized? Weren’t the anti-Iraq protests? How ’bout Vietnam protests? ACORN protests? What about on American campuses where conservative speakers are assaulted and not allowed to give the speech for which they were invited? See what I mean? It’s totally laughable.
That said, these protestors SHOULD allow the politicians say their piece. THEN, when they make asinine statements (like Arlen Specter did) they should boo and give it right back to him.
David – you can’t flip this around to avoid Republican accountability. The anti-reformers tried to muscle into the building after it was fillled to capacity.
They were motivated by desperate propaganda like the blood libels which you repeat here.
Not letting in more people is like Jim Crow, eh no-man? LOL
Hube – if I recall correctly, you used to have a blog, although I could be wrong about that. And I seem to recall you had an obsession with reverse discrimination cases. So if you don’t accept that the swim club incident was vestigial Jim Crow, go look at your own archives for some more nauseating remnants.
The (pre-repentant) Lee Atwater would be proud of you, Hube.
Save the fistfights, read the bill. It is a total travesty which will produce an economic crater which will be filled by a VAT.
Mike Protack
Ah yes. Let’s infer racism when all else fails. To coin a cliché, “The last refuge of the …”
My “obsession,” such that it is, can be traced to the rather excellent Discriminations blog. It was actually my inspiration to begin blogging. Y’see, people with just a little intellect would realize that the “obsession,” as you call it, is actually that of good people who were brought up in the civil rights era that desired a colorblind society — a wish that has now been turned upside down by the Left. It is not some cretinous wish (as you impugn) to return to the actual Jim Crow era (you still can’t tell the difference between Jim Crow and discrimination/racism — don’t blame me, pal) but a real desire to achieve MLK’s vision and dream. Y’see, your (and Perry’s) use of “Jim Crow” is part of the modern problem we face, just as Professor Gates’ tirade was. And to be clear, none of that takes away from cases of “vestigial” racism, (not Jim Crow) as you call it, like that pool situation. The difference is, the pool case gets wall-to-wall coverage, whereas the Gates case also gets wall-to-wall coverage as well — but, despicably, for the same reason as the pool story.
Hube…#7…still laughing at that one…
Go tell it to some skinheads Hube, they have plenty of room for you and your revisionist neo-racial theories.
An oldie but goodie from Atwater:
Nowadays of course the list of euphemisms has expanded to include “reverse discrimination” and “Tenth Amendment” and “It’s not Jim Crow, it’s just discrimination: – but it’s still the same old s**t.
Aye, no-man! Go, go, GO! It’s bad enough that you don’t know what Jim Crow is (was), but now things like reverse discrimination, the 10th Amendment and pointing out that Jim Crow is an anachronism are … racist as well!!
I’d ask you how I am being “revisionist,” but I won’t. Your last answer makes at least half the American public old-style skinhead-like racists. “Knee-slapper” isn’t an adequate reply to that.
The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws in the United States enacted between 1876 and 1965. They mandated de jure segregation in all public facilities, with a supposedly “separate but equal” status for black Americans.
Do you understand the difference between this and the pool situation, noman? Wasn’t it sufficient that I totally conceded that the latter seemed to be a case of “vestigial” racism? All I did was point out that Jim Crow was NOT the appropriate term — since it doesn’t exist anymore. And using such terms only serve to make such situations worse. You took offense to that. I don’t know why. Why would it be so difficult to say “OK, you’re right,” and then say what you did in this thread: use a metaphorical term for the racism experienced by those at that pool.
So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff.
Despite Atwater’s “pre-repentant” feelings, are you seriously claiming that the above are not worthy of debate — and/or that people cannot be for/against them … or else they are “racist?”
And you really may wonder how race relations aren’t better than they might be??
I just want to point out, again, that I live in Sussex County and know a heck of a lot of people who went to the Tea Parties and to the Mike Castle Town Hall meeting and not ONE of them attended for any other reason than their own beliefs that the nation is going in the wrong direction.
They were not “organized” by any group, they heard about the events from various sources, radio, state papers like the News Journal and the Sussex Countian, friends, etc… and they went.
in a post about political conflict, noman started an arguement about race to both disrupt the discussion and to mudy the waters for any new visitors.
Hube, don’t take the bait next time.
The thugs called “The New Black Panthers” got not so much as a slap on the wrist for their intimidation of poll workers in Philadelphia. Thanks to a thug-hugging Justice Department under Eric Holder, the Left seems able to run free.
A judicious ‘promotion’ may allow Tony Rezko to beat the rap.
When some of the time-servers who infest the world of politics get a vigorous response from their subjects, it is called thuggishness. Perhaps the people are tired of hearing evasions and doubletalk.
But where is there Big Media outrage when conservative speakers are denied the chance to speak at universities and their publications destroyed or stolen?
Perhaps in the Timid New World of Political Correctness, one side is supposed to turn the other cheek while the other side treacherously kicks them in the butt.
There may be a new era where the country club types find themselves and their hand-picked wimpy candidates out in the cold.
Libertarians to Democrats: Call off the thugs
White House orders Dems to ‘punch back’ as union organizers attack citizens
WASHINGTON — America’s third largest party Friday called on Democrats to end what appears to be a budding campaign of union violence targeted at citizens who differ with the White House at town hall meetings across the country. Libertarians oppose not only the White House’s plans for government-run medicine, but the use of violence to achieve political or social goals.
A Tampa Bay Tribune story and a video posted to the Drudge Report both report physical assaults on dissenting citizens by union organizers brought to meetings by Democrats. In Tampa, union organizers blocked citizens who differed with the White House from entering a public town hall with Rep. Kathy Castor (D-FL,) and allegedly scuffled with some of them. A video posted to YouTube appears to show union organizers physically attacking citizens who disagreed with the White House.
“The Libertarian Party is founded on one principle. We do not support the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals,” said Donny Ferguson, Libertarian National Committee Communications Director. “Democrats seem to think differently. When the Obama administration ordered Democrats to ‘punch back twice as hard’ against citizens who question them, Democrats responded. This Chicago-trained White House has brought Chicago-style union violence to small towns across America.”
“The White House told Democrat leaders Thursday to ‘punch back twice as hard’ when citizens express disapproval. That kind of irresponsible rhetoric is never proper when discussing popular dissent. The also made it clear they will bend Senate rules and force through government-run health care whether or not America supports it. That is a frightening departure from the traditional American practice of governing though popular will,” said Ferguson.
“If bringing in union thugs is an attempt by Democrats to scare citizens into not questioning them, it won’t work. Union violence may be how communities are organized in Chicago, but the American people won’t stand for people who think violence is the proper response to the fact they no longer have majority support.”
“Americans still believe in the consent of the governed. Libertarians urge Democrats to listen to the American people, call off their union enforcers and drop their wildly unpopular scheme of government-run medicine,” said Ferguson.
The Libertarian Party is America’s third-largest political party, founded in 1971 as an alternative to the two main political parties. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party by visiting http://www.LP.org. The Libertarian Party proudly stands for smaller government, lower taxes and more freedom.
Hube, you have a problem.
anonni: To be fair, I used that Jim Crow line to noman, a reference to another thread that he did not [logically] respond to.
Then again, noman said this back at #4: I dearly hope one of our Senators will have a public meeting on Wilmington’s East Side, and Rick shows up. There will definitely be some ass kicking.
What’s that insinuation? Could that be deemed racist, I wonder??
Hube, you have a problem.
I notice a pattern here. This is just like your hit-and-run “Hube, you’re pathetic” comment in that other thread. Is that all you can muster after I take the time to write a thoughtful comment, noman?
Sheesh.
noman started an arguement about race
Fortunately, the comments are timestamped, so we know a-ninny is lying.
See my #20, noman. It could be interpreted that YOU started it.
Nyah nyah.
Is that all you can muster after I take the time to write a thoughtful comment, noman?
Sorry – when it comes to crazy rants, you are the better man.
OK. So my “rants” are “crazy.”
At least I didn’t invoke racial stereotypes about the East Side. Tell that to the skinheads, racist.
Watch Video: http://butasforme.com/2009/08/07/suspects-arrested-after-racial-assault-on-black-conservative-at-st-louis-town-hall/
St. Louis Post-Dispatch:
Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with “Don’t tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John’s Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face.
This is a clear sign that America is heading down the wrong path.
When union goons at the DPC were terrorizing patients, nurses acted as whistleblowers. The top goon had a criminal record that should have kept him out of the job that he held. The goons threatened the nurses and vandalized their cars. The political hack in charge seemed to be blind to the abuse. The Crown Prince dabbling at the job of Attorney General did nothing as records were being shredded.
The hack who was formerly in charge is still suckling from the public teat.
Is this the Delaware Way?
Apparently it is the Democrat way.
Nancy, I am only reading the news stories. What I was hoping is that the DNC would be better than this.
Now I think it is fair to say that I want my country back. Nov 2009 is the start. I encourage everyone who can to support the VA and NJ conservative and Republican orgainzations or better yet individual campaigns.
As if not bad enough is the frenzied blend of blazing hypocrisy, fearful hysteria, and blatant disinformation, if not slander, coming from the bleating left in the face of real, persistent, and growing citizen action against their blatant and breathtaking power grab.
Now they are sending in the real thugs to deal with the supposed “mob”. Funny how much the labor thugs come across like the strike breakers of yore…which begs the question : what have these power/control freaks on the left truly become??
They really will attack your dissident exercise of free speech by every means available, and I believe if carried along to conclusion would use any means necessary to silence and censor anyone not swearing absolute fealty to forcible national collectivism as the dominant singular organizing force of this entire country.
There is no need to confront… if the right wing extremist screamers start screaming, the Congressman should just clam up while his aides film the spectacle for future use. Don’t start talking again until the screaming dies down. Make them ask questions one at a time, and when you get some wacky question like “Why do you want to kill old people?” invite the loon up on the stage to expound further on camera. Ask them where they got that idea.
http://thedanashow.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/meet-the-mob/
pictures of the angry mob trying to destroy our president.
They should all be invited up on stage to burn their Medicare cards.
Tyler emotes with hyperbole: “As if not bad enough is the frenzied blend of blazing hypocrisy, fearful hysteria, and blatant disinformation, if not slander, coming from the bleating left right ….”
The left is responding to the outrages of the right, Tyler. I just hope that this response does not elicit violence!
noman, I like your wise solution in #31
Tyler emotes with hyperbole: “As if not bad enough is the frenzied blend of blazing hypocrisy, fearful hysteria, and blatant disinformation, if not slander, coming from the bleating
leftright ….”The left is responding to the outrages of the right, Tyler. I just hope that this response does not elicit violence!
noman, I like your wise solution in #31
Please delete #34. Thanks!
More Violent Dems!
TampaBay.com has a great photo sequence of a woman slapping a man in the face at yesterday’s explosive town hall meeting in Tampa held by Rep. Kathy Castor and the goons from SEIU and Obama’s Organizing for America.
What the Tribune failed to disclose was the fact that the woman doing the slapping is a local Democratic party official, specifically the treasurer of the East Hillsborough County Democratic Party Club.
In the eight-photo sequence, two men are seen arguing face to face, with one man wagging his finger in the face of the other. A woman standing behind the finger-wagger reaches around him and starts to push the other man. She then steps forward and give the other man an open palm slap across the face. According to the photo captions, the woman, Karen Miracle, claims she was protecting her husband, Garry Miracle, who supposedly has a heart condition, from the other man, Barry Osteen.
In none of the photos is the slapped man seen extending his arms or raising his hands.
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/photo_galleries/TownHall/
in St. Louis, a SEIU goon and a Carnahan staffer were among 4 people arrested for attacking an anti obamacare protester.
this is the Left’s playbook. start troubled and then blame it on their enemies.
Annoni, you are cherry picking.
Also, you choose to ignore who is instigating these obstructive events: Limbaugh, Beck, Malkin, Savage, Fox News, the birthers, with the complicity of the Republican Congressional leaders, and the like. And you too!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/tampa-town-hall-on-health_n_253478.html
Finally, unfortunately, these sorts of activities bring out the worst in people. I don’t excuse any violence, but I can understand their temptation to respond in kind. It takes the Gandhi/MLK brand of discipline to turn the other cheek!
David Anderson et al have the right idea. Why don’t you subscribe to it?
Special for annoni: “And cynical political operators are exploiting that anxiety to further the economic interests of their backers.
Does this sound familiar? It should: it’s a strategy that has played a central role in American politics ever since Richard Nixon realized that he could advance Republican fortunes by appealing to the racial fears of working-class whites.”
“The Town Hall Mob”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
I quote news sources and provide photos, perry the shill quotes partisan opinion writers and extreme left website.
Every documented instance of violence in this debate has been perpitrated by the left.
thanks for playing
This really bothers me more than I can say. I can only speak for myself, but my problem is not with my fellow citizens, it is with some of the policies and the fashion that they are being pushed through on us.
The fact is that the right to assemble and the right to free speech should not be abridged over a difference of opinion. The right to engage in assault and battery never existed. If we want to get anywhere, we are going to have to at least start listening to differing opinions. For the protesters that means holding their silence at least long enough to let the person who has the floor speak. For the proponents of the HR3200 style reform, that means allowing all citizens equal access to town hall meetings and equal opportunity to speak. Perry and Noman are correct in saying that we don’t need to get confrontational. If the other side is clearly wrong they will hang themselves with their own words. That applies to both positions in the argument though.
We must stand for civility. This is not it. Freedom of speech means you may hear something that you disagree with. You don’t have the right to shut those who disagree with you out of public meetings with elected officials.
who are the “grass roots” supporters of obamacare?
in Delaware the HCAN network includes:
Acorn Delaware
BMWED/Teamster
DE HIV Consortium
Delaware Artisans Cooperative
Delaware Watch
Democratic Talk Radio (DE)
Each One Teach One
Gateway House/Reachout
Laborers of Delaware Local Union 199
New Castle Community Partnership, Inc.
Delaware AFL-CIO
Planned Parenthood
Commissioner Health Outreach Faith Community
SEIU
Alliance for Health Care Reform
Delaware Pacem in Terris
DE AFSCME
APRI
Spirit of Life Church
UAW Local 1183
Amalgamated Transit Union
Hope of a Global Community
COSMO
Who are the national “grass roots”?
National Organizations
9 to 5, National Association of Working Women
Abundant Children and Family Services
ACORN*
Adventists Community Services
AFL-CIO*
AFT*
AIDS in Action
Alliance for Retired Americans
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nursing
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Family Voices
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees*
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists
American Medical Student Association
American Nurses Association
Americans for Democratic Action (ADA)
Americans United for Change*
AskSlim.org
Asian and Pacific Islander American Health Forum
Association for Better Insulation
Black Women’s Health Imperative
Brave New Films
Bus Federation
Cafemom.com
Campaign for America’s Future*
Campus Progress Action
CareTALK
Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good
Center for American Progress Action Fund*
Campaign for Community Change*
Center for Rural Affairs
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Center for Social and Economic Justice
Child Advocate Network
Children’s Defense Fund Action Council
Committee of Interns and Residents/SEIU Healthcare
Commonweal Institute
Communications Workers of America (CWA)*
Community Action Partnership
Community Service Society
Clergy Strategic Alliances, LLC
CREDO Mobile
Democracia Ahora
Democracy for America
Direct Care Alliance
Eagle Medical Services
Future Majority
Gamaliel
Generational Alliance
Health Care for the 21st Century Consulting
Healthcare United
HIV Medicine Association
Holman Healthcare Consulting
Hope for Hepatitis C
Human Rights Campaign
International Federation of Black Prides, Inc.
International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace & Agricultural Implement Workers of America (UAW)*
Jobs With Justice
Latinos for National Health Insurance
Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (LCCR)
League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC)
MDI Imported Car Service, Inc
Moms for Universal Health Care on cafemom.com
MoveOn.org*
Muscular Dystrophy Foundation for Independent Living
My Rural America (Action Fund)
NAACP*
National Abortion Federation
National Alliance on Mental Illness
National Alliance of State and Territorial AIDS Directors
National Asian American Pacific Islander Mental Health Association
National Asian Pacific American Women’s Forum
National Alliance of Professional Psychology Providers
National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
National Association of Certified Professional Midwives
National Association of School-Based Health Care
National Association for State Community Services Programs
National Association of Hepatitis Task Forces
National Association of Social Workers (NASW)
National Beauty Culturists’ League, Inc.
National Cervical Cancer Coalition
National Coalition for LGBT Health
National Community Action Foundation
National Consumers League
National Council of Urban Indian Health
National Council of Jewish Women
National Council of La Raza*
National Congress of American Indians (NCAI)
National Education Association*
National Foundation for Celiac Awareness
National Institute for Reproductive Health
National Korean American Service & Education Consortium
National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health
National Minority Quality Forum
National Partnership for Women and Families
National Physicians Alliance
National Women’s Health Network
National Women’s Law Center*
Northwest Federation of Community Organizations
Out with Cancer, Inc
Paint Lick Family Clinic, Inc
PHI/Health Care for Health Care Workers
Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
Progressive Action Network
Progress Now
Progressive Future
Progressive States Network
Raising Women’s Voices for the Health Care We Need
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
Rock the Vote
Roosevelt Institution
Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law
Service Employees International Union*
Single Stop USA
Sister Song Women of Color Reproductive Health Collective
The Congressional Black Caucus Health Brain Trust
The Healthcare Coverage Post
The League of Young Voters
OWL -The Voice of Midlife and Older Women
The Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring
True Majority
Universal Health Care Action Network (UHCAN)
Union for Reform Judaism
United Food and Commercial Workers*
United Professionals
USAction*
USPIRG
Votehealthcare.org
White Crane Billing Solutions
Women’s Health Foundation
Woman’s National Democratic Club
Women’s Universal Health Initiative
Women’s Voices for the Earth
Women’s Voices. Women Vote.*
Working America*
Working Families Win
Work Place Fairness
YWCA – Young Women’s Christian Association
* Steering Committee Members
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/site/content/who_we_are/
So cool it with the lectures on the Constitution and American History. None of that will cover up the simple fact your voice in contemporary American Politics is rude, crude, obnoxious. It’s like America is trying to have a Party, and you guys show up drunk, cursing, and start picking fights with everybody.
It’s nice to know you have things all figured out for the rest of us. How about you “cool it” with the pointless, way-off-the-mark lectures about “Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh blahblahblahblah*radio/tvpersonality*lalalalala*Obama/unicorns/fairies** and so on, ad nauseam.
Who is this mystical “you” to whom you keep referring in the context of these media personalities? It is certainly not me, so try another broad-brush smear to write me off…because that one ain’t selling.
Honestly, I think your head is buried in some self-flagellating talk radio/tv cocoon. You are abnormally fixated on media commentators, as your mind-numbing regurgitation of their names attests. How do you stand to listen to these people all the time, to have such authority on them and for whom you claim they “speak” or are the “voice”?
You should try for a moment to focus on the principles, philosophy, and policies, none of which I have ever heard you give any real or substantive shrift, here or anywhere else.
It seems to me your angle is strictly about process, politics, and personalities with a hopelessly antiquated view of the presidency as some deification warranting our slavish obeisance.
Just like with the Bushies….”How dare you question him. Like it or not, he’s OUR president” and other such pure unthinking dreck.
No offense, but I didn’t give Bush an inch on policy, principle, or philosophy. His imperial heir Mr. Obama will get just as much wiggle room from me. Please spare me the : “You’re free to defend your freedoms, just sit down and shut up about it while we go about ruling your life.”
As far as your expected trite analogy about America’s “party” (how appropriate considering how it is being charged to someone/anyone else), such shallow attempts to reduce complexity are the quickest resort of those who can’t articulate their case in and of itself, instead drawing some hokey comparison to a simplistic situation.
I would say you are right about America trying to have a party….but you have it quite backwards…..the problem is you who want it to be an orgy with the bill sent to the rest of us.
Of course, no one likes their orgy being busted up by naysayers, eh?
Tyler, the you I am referring to is you. What you call a “breathtaking power grab” – 70 million of us call an American election. Democrats won Congress, the White House, everything in Dover. That ain’t power grabbing. It’s called you lost big. A power grab is when you come into a town hall meeting and try to take over and force the other people to suspend the meeting because you are loud and obnoxious. You can be loud and obnoxious in a street protest. Inside a public meeting? That is a power grab.
I harp on the GOP media because Fox News Limbaugh et al are the de facto voices of the GOP. That’s not a slur, it’ the way it is. Without Fox Glenn Beck Limbaugh there would be no Tea Party movement. Do you think the tone of American politics would change if Limbaugh and Fox News were on President Obama’s side? American politics is all about managing the media. Are you saying the medium is not the message?
Mike Protack, like his fellow Teabaggers keeps saying “read the bill, read the bill, they did not read the bill”. Who did not read the bill? What freekin’ bill? There is no single bill. There is a lot of stuff floating around. A handful of bills from different committees house and senate. Nothing has gone to conference. Just a lot of ideas floating around as proposed legislation. So who is not reading what bill Mike?
The President put the ball in Congress court. He says health inflation is not sustainable. He says come up with something that puts on a different course and insures everybody? You got a problem with that?
You show your colors with juvenile sexually-denigrating comments like “teabagger” and your nauseating, almost pathological compulsion to repeat your mantra of Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity etc.
If you honestly believe 47% of the national vote in the wake of Bush’s disastrous presidency is to have “lost big”, you really need to seek some perspective. The entire turnout of eligible voters was 56.8%. Obama’s support amounts to 30% of all eligible voters. I repeat : it is not a mandate from heaven….manipulative hope/change BS happy talk being mixed into the result changes zilch.
Feel free to throw base insults around and regurgitate lefty talking points and smears all you like, in the hopes of marginalizing those who resist YOU.
The comment that citizen action/protest/participation, in perhaps even raucous manner, is somehow a “power grab”, as compared to the megalomaniacal collectivist schemes being hatched by a unitary one-party federal juggernaut with all the nation’s governmental power at their fingertrips is simply beyong absurdity.
You and your compadres in the authoritarian left are seriously doing your cause a disservice if you think your distorted wishful view of “us” (the “you” to which you refer) is the reality out here.
But, please, underestimate away. Whoever the “you” is that lost big, one thing is for sure…..YOU didn’t win big. Not in the slightest.
Moreover, Obama has already broken just about every fairy dust promise with which he sold his raft of shit to the restless American electorate, especially on health care — at best a fabricated crisis, cooked up by Democrat welfarists looking for their next big redistributive hook into American prosperity.
I guess I would ask, since Obama completely abandoned if not outright reversed the reformist/centrist lie with which he sold himself, what exactly is the mandate? Of him personally, as capricious boy-king?
That’s just dung. And you know it.
I’m not repeating Limbaugh Fox Hannity Beck as much as I am saying YOU people are like their pet parrots. Boy King and all.
The town hall protestors chant the chants of talk radio and TV. Are you saying they all woke up one morning just thinkin the same thing. Yesterday, Sarah Palin says health insurance reform will create Obama “death panels” Obamas plan is “evil”. Tell me she is not part of YOUR movement. Part Of the GOP. Of the conservative movement. Should ignore Palin and all the conservative talk news? Believe there really is a more levelheaded GOP out there somewhere? Tell us where? Who?
Your Obama victory denial, saying 54% of the voters is really 30% of the voters is the same kind of weird stuff Limbaugh does. Friday he was preaching the unemployment rate was 16% if you count the . . .
Not sure I get the sexual denigrating part? I thought it was called Tea Bag or something.
Oh, of course…those who disagree with you and Obamaworld must be “parroting” talking heads (or whomever is your caricaturized opponent du jour).
If you don’t think like you and Obama, you can’t be thinking for yourself, right? (It is this type of self-contradictory intellectual perversion that always amazes me, coming from apparently intelligent people.)
You really are in an untenable position, trying to disregard or marginalize vast swaths of the citizenry. I have news for you, the silent majority (independent voters at the core) are not holding their tongues with bated breath for Obama’s utopia to be realized.
Obama and his party are is losing them by the day and will continue to do so. Doesn’t mean they’re going to the GOP, and frankly who cares at this point. The GOP doesn’t have to win for Obama’s statism to be halted. Whatever it takes.
My advice to you is to stop replaying 2000-2008 as your catchall, be-all, end-all justifications for Obama’s frenzied power orgy and take your opponents at face value, as they come, not as you wish to mis-portray and lump them all together to give yourself smug comfort.
I don’t care who holds power, it must be challenged and scrutinized and checked at all times, or it will inevitably accumulate more of itself and in higher and higher concentrations. That’s the history of humanity. That’s reality.
And this is the core of this battle, more than anything else. Choice and freedom versus control and power.
RE: Your “teabagger” comment…perhaps you should see how disgusting and base is the source of the term you have been repeating about your political opponents in the Tea Parties : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging
Your Obama victory denial, saying 54% of the voters is really 30% of the voters is the same kind of weird stuff Limbaugh does. Friday he was preaching the unemployment rate was 16% if you count the . ..
Nice to know you spend your days listening to Limbaugh. I don’t have the leisure time you apparently do.
Obviously your comprehension and reading skills are very very challenged. What “Obama victory denial” are you talking about?!?
I said Obama had nothing close to the high holy mandate you insist on proclaiming. I never said he wasn’t validly elected, so spare me your distortion of what I wrote.
I think with all your Limbaugh listening you are starting to assimilate him in tact and tactics. You should turn him off for some peace of mind and clear thinking.
30% of eligible voters is not a mandate to radically and rapidly turn this country upside down with the government at the center of all life. Not by a long shot.
Obama et al know they are on borrowed time, trying to push their collectivist mountain through the eye of a needle, as quickly and with as little scrutiny as possible….because they know what they are trying to do is not what moderate Obama supporters were led to believe they were signing up for last year….nor what the country wants. They know they have to get it done before the inevitable backlash, just now getting its boots on…
Think and noman “think” they are on to something. The ironic thing is that they’re using the very opposite “playbook” they accuse the other side of using. With noman if you disagree it’s “racism.” With think it’s “you’re parroting Limbaugh, et. al.” No one can have an original thought, no one can have an honest disagreement. Thoughts contrary to theirs are inherently sinister.
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