<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Gore To Congress: Global Warming Skeptics Like &#8220;Bernie Madoffs,&#8221; Skeptic To Gore:  &#8220;Chicken&#8221;</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/</link>
	<description>Where public policy meets common sense</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:01:52 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: pandora</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13864</link>
		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 02:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13864</guid>
		<description>You guys can start with the papers linked here:

http://www.northeastclimateimpacts.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys can start with the papers linked here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.northeastclimateimpacts.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.northeastclimateimpacts.org/</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13861</link>
		<dc:creator>David Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 01:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13861</guid>
		<description>The answer is simple, my friend.  There is no perfect or regular earth temperature.  It is a range.  They know it.  We know it. In fact, global temperature itself is a bit of a myth.  It is a rolling average. The problem is there is an agenda which trumps science.  The modern world has given the individual power that the state can&#039;t match so we have to stop it.  We have to control people&#039;s energy.  Good people like President Obama seemingly buy this bill of goods because it comfortably fits into their government will save us belief system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is simple, my friend.  There is no perfect or regular earth temperature.  It is a range.  They know it.  We know it. In fact, global temperature itself is a bit of a myth.  It is a rolling average. The problem is there is an agenda which trumps science.  The modern world has given the individual power that the state can&#8217;t match so we have to stop it.  We have to control people&#8217;s energy.  Good people like President Obama seemingly buy this bill of goods because it comfortably fits into their government will save us belief system.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: FrankKnotts</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13858</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankKnotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13858</guid>
		<description>What no comebacks ? Anyone ? Someone must have an answer since there is so much scince out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What no comebacks ? Anyone ? Someone must have an answer since there is so much scince out there.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: FrankKnotts</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13793</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankKnotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13793</guid>
		<description>Pandora , so far all that has been put forward on GW or more importantly MMGW is correlation . The so called science you are so happy to throw around has at best been able to show a correlation between the industrial revolution and a rise in global temperature , but only in a very narrow time span , because if we look at the history of the world through fossil records and ice coars then we find many times that the earth was both cooler and hotter. I notice that you ignored my question from above, what or when was the perfect temperature for the planet? 
  And as for your absolute statement that &quot;science doesn&#039;t changes&quot; , well I guess that means that the earth is still the center of the universe and the planet is flat. Both of these beliefs were widely held consensus of the day , held by the greatest thinkers of their times.
  Correlation does not equal causation and a consensus only prove that two or more people hold the same opinion but not that that opinion is correct .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pandora , so far all that has been put forward on GW or more importantly MMGW is correlation . The so called science you are so happy to throw around has at best been able to show a correlation between the industrial revolution and a rise in global temperature , but only in a very narrow time span , because if we look at the history of the world through fossil records and ice coars then we find many times that the earth was both cooler and hotter. I notice that you ignored my question from above, what or when was the perfect temperature for the planet?<br />
  And as for your absolute statement that &#8220;science doesn&#8217;t changes&#8221; , well I guess that means that the earth is still the center of the universe and the planet is flat. Both of these beliefs were widely held consensus of the day , held by the greatest thinkers of their times.<br />
  Correlation does not equal causation and a consensus only prove that two or more people hold the same opinion but not that that opinion is correct .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13694</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13694</guid>
		<description>Pandora, if you are not using Al Gore&#039;s science and you have access to the good clean science that I haven&#039;t seen yet then please show me the scientific research that not only supports man made global warming destroying the earth theory, but makes it such a strong case for it that I should change my life over it and the governments of this country and the world should make legislation based on it.  I would like to see the evidence you are basing your possition on, especially if it isn&#039;t Al Gore&#039;s.  Unfortunatly there are too few people trying even as hard as you to keep politics out of the environmental debate.  The science has been lost and misconstrued in the various agendas.  

I believe that there have been changes in sea level, in the levels of C02 in the atmosphere, and in the average global tempature.  Science observes and records those phenomenon, however when it comes to drawing the relationships between this data and coming to conclusions about what it means things grow much less clear.  Does one change cause the other, is there a correllation, or is it just an unrelated coincidence?  Are there other explanations for what the research has identified?  Are there factors that have not been considered?  Are the trends continuing?  Are they reversing, slowing down, speeding up?  What are the possible consequenses if they continue, and on what projected timeline?  Do we want to attempt to intervene and stop these trends?  Can we?  What effect will the proposed solutions have?  What are the unintended consequences, the side effects of the proposed solutions?

Global warming advocates have been very imaginative in painting terrifying pictures of what can happen in the future if their theories are true, however their imaginations begin to whither when it comes to looking at possible negative outcomes that could be caused by their proposed solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pandora, if you are not using Al Gore&#8217;s science and you have access to the good clean science that I haven&#8217;t seen yet then please show me the scientific research that not only supports man made global warming destroying the earth theory, but makes it such a strong case for it that I should change my life over it and the governments of this country and the world should make legislation based on it.  I would like to see the evidence you are basing your possition on, especially if it isn&#8217;t Al Gore&#8217;s.  Unfortunatly there are too few people trying even as hard as you to keep politics out of the environmental debate.  The science has been lost and misconstrued in the various agendas.  </p>
<p>I believe that there have been changes in sea level, in the levels of C02 in the atmosphere, and in the average global tempature.  Science observes and records those phenomenon, however when it comes to drawing the relationships between this data and coming to conclusions about what it means things grow much less clear.  Does one change cause the other, is there a correllation, or is it just an unrelated coincidence?  Are there other explanations for what the research has identified?  Are there factors that have not been considered?  Are the trends continuing?  Are they reversing, slowing down, speeding up?  What are the possible consequenses if they continue, and on what projected timeline?  Do we want to attempt to intervene and stop these trends?  Can we?  What effect will the proposed solutions have?  What are the unintended consequences, the side effects of the proposed solutions?</p>
<p>Global warming advocates have been very imaginative in painting terrifying pictures of what can happen in the future if their theories are true, however their imaginations begin to whither when it comes to looking at possible negative outcomes that could be caused by their proposed solutions.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13674</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13674</guid>
		<description>How dare you introduce facts deduced from research by a MIT PhD when rock-solid hysteria proves otherwise?

&quot;See Chicken Little run; an open debate, he must shun. After all, the sky is falling; and those book deals, they&#039;re a-calling.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How dare you introduce facts deduced from research by a MIT PhD when rock-solid hysteria proves otherwise?</p>
<p>&#8220;See Chicken Little run; an open debate, he must shun. After all, the sky is falling; and those book deals, they&#8217;re a-calling.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Maria Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13671</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13671</guid>
		<description>&quot;Tim, you linked an Opinion piece, &quot;

It was an opinion piece by a professor of atmospheric science from MIT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tim, you linked an Opinion piece, &#8221;</p>
<p>It was an opinion piece by a professor of atmospheric science from MIT.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: pandora</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13670</link>
		<dc:creator>pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13670</guid>
		<description>Tim, you linked an Opinion piece, if you have a stronger article you should supply it.  I&#039;m merely asking you to back up your statement.  I&#039;ve looked (busy day, so I didn&#039;t invest a lot of time) but I can&#039;t find the actual numbers.  And since the basis of your argument relies on disparity...

Also, scientists didn&#039;t go looking for a gay gene.  Geneticists study sections of the human genome, trying to discover what each part is responsible for.  You keep starting with a premise and an end game.  Scientists didn&#039;t study the chemical base pairs trying to find a gay gene or a fat gene.  They went into this trying to discover what each pair was responsible for.  

Also, science doesn&#039;t have to make sense to you, or be presented in ways you understand.  It&#039;s nice if that happens, but it doesn&#039;t make the science better or worse.  

*BTW, when a used the word &quot;difference&quot; (bad choice on my part) I meant being the first to prove/disprove whatever. 

As far as funding... the rule &quot;Publish or Perish&quot; applies.  A lot of Publishing = Funding.  

Lastly, you said, &quot;I believe that at least a portion of the science is clean, but not all of what Al Gore references is clean scientific research, and as you mention his use of it certainly is not.&quot;  I have not mentioned Al Gore once.  Deliberately.  I decided not to introduce advocates from either side in an attempt to avoid politics and focus on science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, you linked an Opinion piece, if you have a stronger article you should supply it.  I&#8217;m merely asking you to back up your statement.  I&#8217;ve looked (busy day, so I didn&#8217;t invest a lot of time) but I can&#8217;t find the actual numbers.  And since the basis of your argument relies on disparity&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, scientists didn&#8217;t go looking for a gay gene.  Geneticists study sections of the human genome, trying to discover what each part is responsible for.  You keep starting with a premise and an end game.  Scientists didn&#8217;t study the chemical base pairs trying to find a gay gene or a fat gene.  They went into this trying to discover what each pair was responsible for.  </p>
<p>Also, science doesn&#8217;t have to make sense to you, or be presented in ways you understand.  It&#8217;s nice if that happens, but it doesn&#8217;t make the science better or worse.  </p>
<p>*BTW, when a used the word &#8220;difference&#8221; (bad choice on my part) I meant being the first to prove/disprove whatever. </p>
<p>As far as funding&#8230; the rule &#8220;Publish or Perish&#8221; applies.  A lot of Publishing = Funding.  </p>
<p>Lastly, you said, &#8220;I believe that at least a portion of the science is clean, but not all of what Al Gore references is clean scientific research, and as you mention his use of it certainly is not.&#8221;  I have not mentioned Al Gore once.  Deliberately.  I decided not to introduce advocates from either side in an attempt to avoid politics and focus on science.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13667</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13667</guid>
		<description>The article from this site express my frustrations with the science, statistics, and lack of both on both sides of global warming better than I can.  The links in the table of contents are also good.  I can offer links to anecdotal evidence, personal experiences, and opinions for each statement I make, however there is precious little statistical data collected and compiled, and much of that is filtered through the biases of one side or the other. 

http://landshape.org/enm/bias-in-research/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article from this site express my frustrations with the science, statistics, and lack of both on both sides of global warming better than I can.  The links in the table of contents are also good.  I can offer links to anecdotal evidence, personal experiences, and opinions for each statement I make, however there is precious little statistical data collected and compiled, and much of that is filtered through the biases of one side or the other. </p>
<p><a href="http://landshape.org/enm/bias-in-research/" rel="nofollow">http://landshape.org/enm/bias-in-research/</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://www.delawarepolitics.net/gore-to-congress-global-warming-skeptics-like-bernie-madoffs-skeptics-to-gore-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-13666</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=3593#comment-13666</guid>
		<description>I only provided one link because last I checked posts with multiple links require approval here and that would mean a day or more delay before it appeared.  Due to your statements I am sure you would simply dissmiss the additional links that I could provide.  I am curious as to why I am supposed to accept your article when you reject mine out right.  It doesn&#039;t bother me to read links to sites and articles with opposing opinions.  I like to find out for myself why others think what they do and then decide if it makes sence, or even research it myself when neccesary and if time allows.

&quot;And your UD friends are leaving out a part of that equation. In order to be published and get funding you must do research that makes a difference.&quot;  - Pandora

The key that you forget to add is makes a difference to whom?  People can research whatever they want and if they can find a way to tie it into Global Warming Theory, or another field of study that is en vogue they will find it is possible to get funding, access to publication and media attention or both.  

Also research for proving a negative will generate less funding, at least until things get out of hand like Global Warming Theory has now.  Similarly there wasn&#039;t much funding for reasearch disproving genetic causation of homosexuality until people started claiming science proved it and tried to legislate based on that science.  

&quot;Science doesn’t change. Certain parts can be cherry-picked or omitted to make a political point, but if you look at scientific submissions - that have been peer reviewed - the science is clean. How it’s used is not.&quot; - Pandora

I believe that at least a portion of the science is clean, but not all of what Al Gore references is clean scientific research, and as you mention his use of it certainly is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only provided one link because last I checked posts with multiple links require approval here and that would mean a day or more delay before it appeared.  Due to your statements I am sure you would simply dissmiss the additional links that I could provide.  I am curious as to why I am supposed to accept your article when you reject mine out right.  It doesn&#8217;t bother me to read links to sites and articles with opposing opinions.  I like to find out for myself why others think what they do and then decide if it makes sence, or even research it myself when neccesary and if time allows.</p>
<p>&#8220;And your UD friends are leaving out a part of that equation. In order to be published and get funding you must do research that makes a difference.&#8221;  &#8211; Pandora</p>
<p>The key that you forget to add is makes a difference to whom?  People can research whatever they want and if they can find a way to tie it into Global Warming Theory, or another field of study that is en vogue they will find it is possible to get funding, access to publication and media attention or both.  </p>
<p>Also research for proving a negative will generate less funding, at least until things get out of hand like Global Warming Theory has now.  Similarly there wasn&#8217;t much funding for reasearch disproving genetic causation of homosexuality until people started claiming science proved it and tried to legislate based on that science.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Science doesn’t change. Certain parts can be cherry-picked or omitted to make a political point, but if you look at scientific submissions &#8211; that have been peer reviewed &#8211; the science is clean. How it’s used is not.&#8221; &#8211; Pandora</p>
<p>I believe that at least a portion of the science is clean, but not all of what Al Gore references is clean scientific research, and as you mention his use of it certainly is not.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

