Forging the Chains of Oppression

The Hill has a story about the Marine who founded Armed Forces Tea Party being threatened with expulsion for disparaging remarks against the President.  What next?  Will they call us terrorists and not bother with trials under the New NDAA.  We can not afford 4 more years.  The chains of oppression are being forged while we watch.

15 thoughts on “Forging the Chains of Oppression”

  1. Disparaging remarks about the Commander In Chief. You are in that guard is that not correct? I dare you to post disparaging remarks about your commander for all the world to see.

    Regardless of how I felt about my commanders, I always respected the rank and the office if not the man. Military members are held to a higher standard. Why do you think we hold them up to be role models?

    I can post what I want, but I was also taught that as a military member I represent my service, the Department of Defense, and my country. My behavior and actions could bring shame and dishonor to all of those. Now that I no longer wear a uniform, I can say and do as I please. The Marine will soon have that chance as well.

  2. “Will they call us terrorists”

    Are you active duty military, David?

    When one volunteers for the military, there is a whole range of political activities which are against regulations.

    Or are you one of the supporters of that birther who refused deployment orders because he wanted to see the president’s birth certificate first?

  3. So, David, who was president when this was made part of the UCMJ:

    ““Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

    Or do we just ignore that when you don’t like the president in question?

  4. I think there’s a legitimate case to be made for repealing that part of the UCMJ, and I’m glad to see that they intend to take the case to federal court if it proceeds. I think there’s a legitimate question as to whether or not our military should be able to openly question whether or not the orders they’re receiving from the chain of command are constitutional. Does the 1st Amendment saying the congress shall make NO law restricting freedom of speech include the UCMJ?

  5. “Hail to our Panty Waist in Chief”

    …Hey, he’s not a Panty Waist…he’s Our Little Red Star!

  6. I think that once you add in Hube’s point about the double standard then you have a story.

    I served in the Marines during the Clinton and Bush administrations. I had to treat both with equal respect due to their office and would have never even considered making the comments that Marine did on facebook no matter how I felt about the men holding the office or their policies. Marines are trained from boot camp and then given refresher training throughout their time in service about the UCMJ, and protocol. Behavior that may be admirable from a citizen patriot is sometimes unacceptable from a Marine. This is one of those cases.

    Having served I understand the frustration, but also the purpose of military personnel being prohibited from speaking out against their superior officers and questioning lawful orders. While I would likely take the opposite position as Will I think it could be worth while having the debate over the application of the 1st amendment’s freedom of speech clause to the military. If Americans have forgotten the purpose and merit of those restrictions than it is worth the time to remind them. At the same time to remind the population that it is their responsibility to protect the military from a President that would issue unconstitutional orders.

  7. “The Hill has a story about the Marine who founded Armed Forces Tea Party being threatened with expulsion for disparaging remarks against the President. What next? ”

    What Next” When Obama loses the election, he declares massive voter fraud, suspends the Constitution and declares martial law.

  8. You proved my point. The code applied to commissioned officers not enlisted. Even if they lose the constitutional argument, they don’t have a statutory leg to stand on. That is why the other case was dropped.

    This is nothing short of intimidation and oppression. It should be rejected on principle.

  9. “What Next” When Obama loses the election, he declares massive voter fraud, suspends the Constitution and declares martial law.”

    That would be silly except that really sad because you believe it. I need to buy aluminum stocks because I am sure with all the foil you are using to stop the radio waves I will make a fortune!

  10. Dave
    I’ll just borrow some of the foil you’ve been wrapping your head in, when you come out of the hole you’ve been hiding in.

  11. “The Marine Corps has said it decided to take administrative action after Stein declared on Facebook that he would not follow orders from Obama.” From the article.

    “…I will obey the orders of the President of the United States…” From the oath when one enlists.

    The Pentagon has also issued directives regarding involvment in politics while in the military.

  12. The problem is that according to the standard, he has to actually refuse a lawful order, which no one accuses him of doing. I have the Pentagon directives, he is not in violation based upon public accounts. There is always more than we see. I think the fact that they targeted this guy for monitoring and slice and dice every word shows exactly why we have a first amendment. It says Congress shall make no law not except when…

  13. Dave
    “Disparaging remarks about the Commander In Chief. You are in that guard is that not correct? ”

    Your comment sounds like a veiled threat for David not to speak him mind on this subject. I hope that’s not true Dave?
    Please clarify your remark sir.

  14. “…I will obey the orders of the President of the United States…” From the oath when one enlists.

    The Pentagon has also issued directives regarding involvment in politics while in the military.

    Under executive decree, BO has empowered himself to declare martial law in non-emergency situations. So, how goes the oath if the president violates his own oath,i.e., to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution?” For example, in a non-emergency state of martial law, should a soldier shoot his own if ordered, like in the USSR?

    Good God, use your head, man.

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