Finally! Someone on the far left willing to admit the truth.
Sep 4th, 2008 by JohnFeroce
“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.” Full Story
Major Category: Commander-n -Chief
Scorecard – McCain 1 Obama 0
Yea, right John! McCain was a main proponent from the start of this preemptive war against a nation that posed no threat.
Now look at the cost in lives and treasure, and on our economy.
Was it worth it? Come on, John: Your answer is?
What reaction would you have if Russia did the same thing we did, say to Ukraine?
What is your reaction to Russia’s involvement in the Georgia situation?
You neocons are all alike, a disaster for our country.
Yet this is the legacy you folks want to continue with McCain-Palin, correct? And you expect sensible/sensitive people to keep your kind in power?
Judgment: Obama 1, McCain 0.
Now take your pick!
Perry
When you have time, I’d love your feedback on the surge.
HOORAY…..
Finally tonight we get to hear from the greatest patriot in MY Republican party, in MY Life.
I have no doubt that Sen. McCain will present a strong case tonight. I only hope that Sen. McCain’s speech is given the RESPECT and TRIBUTE from the talk radio base of the party, that consistently worked against him in primary, now that they have spent the better part of this weekend slobbering over Gov. Palin.
Lets go Sen. McCain:
You are an American Hero;
You were right on the War;
You were right on the Surge;
You are right on Iran;
You are right on the Budget, Taxes, and Spending;
You have earned everything in your life;
And you are going to WIN on your own terms.
“You [McCain] were right on the War;”
Shenanigans, you have GOT to be kidding!
Bush Taxes: So you want to further screw the middle class, is that it?
Earned everything in his life? He was born into wealth and married into more wealth. At Anapolis he was a poor student and a troublemaker. That said, he has endured terrible deprivation and torture, and he has worked hard during a long career in public service. Kudos to McCain for his post Anapolis life.
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Now John, on the surge, it has greatly cut down on the violence, and facilitated the turn over of a good number of provinces back to the Iraqis, most recently Anbar province, of all places. The success was catalyzed by the Sunni decision to reject al Qaeda and join forces with us before the surge began. Petreaus built on this emerging switch of sides. He is a military genius. The Iraqi government is now negotiating a time table for our withdrawal from occupying their country. The reason Obama did not support the surge is that he thought at the time that the better way was to slowly withdraw troops to force the Iraqis to stand up. We will never know if that would have worked, this being the reason that he will not admit he was wrong at the time of the surge funding vote. Obama does acknowledge the success of the surge.
Thanks Perry for acknowledging the success of the surge. I had it wrong, like Obama, but now I realize McCain was right. I’m glad Obama is honest enough to say the truth.
I think Sen. McCain gave a great speech. The best of the convention.
You can evaluate speeches in many ways. In the T.V. and internet age, we rely on the visual and audio to allow our senses to guide our judgment. But that method necessarily disregards some substance, some reason. This is a method that is relatively new. Caesar, Cicero, Cato, Antony, Lincoln, More all delivered powerful addresses in history. But their words are great and their speakers immortal not because of their appearance or delivery but the meaning of their words and the boldness of their ideas.
After watching Sen. McCain’s speech and reading the text, I believe it to be a great speech maybe even great in a historical sense. It was not its flash and not its delivery that made it great, it is the words and its tone.
The speech was all Sen. McCain, it is his life, his record, and his beliefs told simply and elegantly. It is a speech that is conveyed in nonpartisan terms. Yes, there are spots here and there of party doctrine, that is unavoidable.
But in the main it plainly states why Sen. McCain is who he is and why Sen. McCain believes what he believes and it illustrates that he is a great man without claiming it. I cannot find the false bravado that plagued the speeches last night and last week.
In the speech I mainly find a simple statement of Sen. McCain’s strength and honor without pretense. I loved it. What makes it great is that it was a speech for Americans not only Republicans. Yesterday was basically for the Republicans. Today was for AMERICANS.
Now, I count myself as both an American and a Republican, but I am an American first and foremost and thats why I loved this speech.
“Bush Taxes: So you want to further screw the middle class, is that it?Earned everything in his life? He was born into wealth and married into more wealth. At Anapolis he was a poor student and a troublemaker. That said, he has endured terrible deprivation and torture, and he has worked hard during a long career in public service. Kudos to McCain for his post Anapolis life.”
I’m middle class, I don’t find myself being screwed (unless I want to be). However, I do know that if Sen. McCain further cuts income taxes on the wage earners in the highest bracket (my bosses) that I stand to make more and take home more and will be able to build my own business someday. Thats the way I see that issue.
First of all, regarding Sen. McCain’s Annapolis record, I am not going to hold youthful indiscretions against the man when I’ve had my own. In the same light, having been born to wealth, Sen. McCain did not take the easy path to a cushy University and the life of trust fund baby. No. He went to Annapolis. That is to his credit.
Yes, he did not perform well at the Academy and he was a hell raiser. But lets face it 18-22 year old men fuck around and do stupid stuff. I did. Thats what red blooded men do sometimes. That does not bother me.
In fact, it makes Sen. McCain more endearing to me because he has faced adversity and we all have. But the difference is that Sen. McCain has consistently faced adversity and achieved EXTRAORDINARY feats. That makes Sen. McCain exceptional in book. (By the way, Se. Obama is also exceptional in a good way but I happen to like Sen. McCain better)
Shenanigans, I agree with you, McCain’s speech was the best of the convention, because it focused on issues and substance, especially unlike the speeches preceding, of Giuliani and Palin, which focused on mockery, character assassinations and misrepresentations.
Thus, there is a schizophrenic character to the McCain Republican Party which I find very disturbing indeed. You can’t have McCain proposing change from the Bush Republican Party on the one hand, which asks us to work together for change by working across the aisle, while on the other hand having Republican Party leaders pushing out the same old same old polarizing and divisive rhetoric.
Most disturbing of all to me is that this campaign approach may well prevail, giving us more of the same. I hope not.
In my view, we need the kind of change that Obama represents, in which he presents himself as a unifying figure, intent on moving us away from the politics of confrontation and polarization to a politics of compromise and unification behind a set of ideals and values that most folks can feel comfortable with and support.
All McCain’s good words/ideas of last night cannot effectively move him away from the Bush record that he has for the most part promoted. He has not been the same maverick that we knew in 2000, when the Bush Rovian forces slammed him into the ground, just as the very same people are now trying to do through Palin et al against Obama.
Shenanigans, this Bush/Rovian approach to our body politic has not worked, as the record indicates. I would ask you to reconsider your own sincerely held views to consider just exactly what sort of government you would continue in power were McCain to be elected, compared to the kind of government that Obama has committed himself to. What is it about Obama’s proposals, or his record, that you cannot support?