Feds Sue over Arizona SB 1070
Jul 6th, 2010 by Timothy Pancoast
“The Department of Justice filed suit this morning asking a federal judge to block Arizona’s new law aimed at illegal immigrants from taking effect.”
Feds sue to block Arizona illegal immigrant law: By Howard Fischer
No suprises here. It is dissapointing that the Federal Government let things desintigrate to this point and would rather sue in court than perform their Constutional duty properly. I’d say that things are progressing rather well. This law needs to face judicial muster just as the Oklahoma Law did, even more so. I look forward to seeing the opinoins that Supreme Court offers on it.
This suit, doomed to fail (although an injunction staying implementation may result), is designed to demonstrate the Socialist-Democrats’ solidarity with the Hispanic community- period.
The SCOTUS will give it a 5 to 4 smackdown if it comes to that.
Tim’s stories here are calm compared to his rantings on other sites and his affiliated ‘buddies” – hate group sites etc…wants to appear moderate – however – we know his truth.
there will be no smackdown – moderate, legal minds will prevail – mis-information and lies and the radical right will be defeated –
the borders are safer than ever, violent crime is way down and this was all spin but the radicals that now has turned sour and the truth will out
the borders are safer than ever, violent crime is way down and this was all spin
Uh huh: http://colossus.mu.nu/archives/303220.php
apo wichiapi: I suggest you wake up out of your demented liberal fog. It’s really pathetic.
The feds have a nerve to bring this suit, even though they’re legally correct. I’d like to see them explain why they chose not to enforce federal law to the point that states are in peril and forced to defend themselves against the criminal and social welfare onslaught the feds won’t protect them from any more than they will reimburse the high costs states have to incur because of it.
The states should get together, at least the ones with a thinking leadership, and sue the feds generally and the usurper of the White House in particular for dereliction of duty. I’m not sure about the legal mechanics of that, but it’s not an immediate solution like the Arizona law.
The fact that the feds’ suit had to be filed in federal court in Phoenix doesn’t bode well for their success. The judge will probably dismiss the suit, upon which it will go directly to the US Supreme Court. The feds will try to wait long enough before they submit the case to assure that another justice can be made to retire whom they’ll try to replace with a fifth liberal member who will then cast the deciding vote against Arizona. They’d better hurry up, though, because if all goes well in November it won’t be a rubber stamp confirmation of yet another socialist/communist for the Court.
Just by itself, the fact that Obama and his yes-men are suing Arizona is not going to sit well with the already outraged majority of American people. It’s one more strike against this thugocracy for November.
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Apo Wichiapi, feel free to post links to whatever rantings of mine you would like to share with everyone. I can be a hot head at times, but I am not ashamed of carring on a heated discussion with people. I always use my name or at least some variation of it. I can’t speak for my supposed “affiliated ‘buddies’” but I will not run from my words. When I post an actual article I usually try to keep it somewhat professional, it is in the comments where I am more apt to unleash the more heated rhetoric.
As to the borders being safer than ever, that is all well and good for President Obama, and his DC operatives to say, but when it comes to the people that actually live on the border you will here a different story. Border security is not a partisan issue, neither is immigration. They are Constitutional issues. Let’s restore them to that stature because we have been dragging them around in the mud of partisanship for too long.
From my perspective the state of Arizona is fully justified and my opinon is that they were within the law in enacting and enforsing SB 1070. However, I am not a judge. I hope that the lawsuit is struck down in court and that the Arizona law stands. However, no mater what the results of the court battle, the findings and evidence that will be brought into the court battle will be very interesting to me. I hope that the state of Arizona will take this opportunity to put the dereliction of duty by our federal government on full display.
“..- moderate, legal minds will prevail…
Correct- Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia and Kennedy will realize that the Arizona statute does not exceed federal statutory authority, and thus, is completely constitutional.
Of course, if the federal government wasn’t incompetent and derelict, we’d have a secure border, like every other civilized nation in the world. If you haven’t noticed, polls indicate overwhelming support, nationwide, for the Arizona statute.
I agree. I am not an immigration hardliner, but I believe in securing the borders including the fence, voting in English, enforcing employer sanctions, oppose welfare for illegals, and then increasing the numbers allowed to a more realistic level.
I want enforcing the existing laws as opposed to changing the laws in a “comprehensive” fashion to be the priority. I also favor tinkering with the laws to double the numbers allowed legally to systematicly reduce the backlog. I oppose criminalizing immigration by changing current law. We do not need another excuse to jail people. I do not favor bringing back guest workers nor a national ID. Let’s find out what works if we actually enforce the law. We have not done that in the almost 25 years since it passed.
Tom – you might want to check out these two sites:
http://www.912DELAWAREPATRIOTS.COM – of which you are a member and one of who’s founder’s Alex Garcia was posed with a hunting rilfe talking about immigration laws on the front of TNJ – what message do you suppose that sent to any rational voter?
Everybody – look at the comment regarding the Gulf Oil spill and the “effect on OUR animal poplulation in the vicintity of Mexico” – you responded to it Tim! on the 912 partiots page. I doubt your poster was referring to the 4-legged variety – and that my friend has nothing to do with “illegal immigration” to which I am opposed. the site has left that comment there for nearly two months – thereby giving tacit approval to the sentiment.
the look to your follow patriot members and their friends on http://WWW.RESISTNET.COM
here is one of your associate’s posts:
Comment by duane bass on June 26, 2010 at 8:30pm
“Lets put a bounty on all illegals, Dead or alive. Say a $100 a pop. . . You will see them clear out in days. Desperate times calls for desparate actions. I want these illegals out, once and for all, and that includes our Fearless leader, the one with no legal birth Certificate.
He is biting off way more than he can handle, we are Americans and are the best this world has ever seen, and will not be kowtowed by and inept elected official. We have so many bad ones too. . . ”
post was removed – but screen-shots are a wonderful thing – preserves it forever to be shared -and share I did – and there are plenty more of them equally as horrible by the same poster – would you care to defend them? – and why doesn’t everyone here look at all Mr. Bass’s posts – and while there – check out his “friends” list – makes for interesting reading.
like my Mom always said – “lay down with dogs, get up with fleas”.
Uhh Hube – use real data
http://WWW.FBI.GOV
Rick – if you are counting on Alito better read Padilla v Kentucky – you would be surprised at that one
Tim – sorry didn’t mean to call you Tom – but if you want to be taken seriously – PLEASE watch out with those whom you associate with – when the mud flies – some will stick on you too.
ask Alex what Apo Wichiapi is – he should know given his roots.
Davis – read Voter’s Rights Act of 1965 and Title 6 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
there you will find data on voting in what languages and the rational of why
remember the Jones Act of 1917 make Puerto Rico a part of the US – the primary language there is Spanish, atho they learn English in school it is soon lost like we lost French or whatever we learned in High School
Also – Cubans in FLA have traditionally been strong, conservative R’s (not RINO’s either) – this debate is driving them from the base.
Rational bipartisan discussion is the key here – not hate or anger whipped up by extremeists on either side –
We should “secure” our borders but the only countries I believe that have “sealed borders” are Communist ones – namely Cuba.
do we really want to emulate them??
Apo Wichiapi, I am glad for my association with Alex. I am not afraid of being seen with imperfect people, especially when my association with them is based on what they aare trying to do right.
You are still welcome to post links, I will gladly stand next to any comments that I have made. I will also stand by my friends and associates rights to think and say what they believe and feel, even if I can’t back up and support every single thing they say. I am not afraid of the mud, it is the people that can’t handle a little mud and loose the ability to have a rational conversation when they see it that concern me more.
Tim – with all due respect – I tried to post a link to show everyone what is really happening – it was a test to see if there would be censorship of the truth
there was censorship – when one has a dessenting opinion and can back it up with the truth and others don’t want that truth seen, I believe that is the lowest form of this type of postings out there.
it was a test- and it was mud – and the post was censored – too bad your site failed – other outlets will carry it
Rick – if you are counting on Alito better read Padilla v Kentucky – you would be surprised at that one…
Not really- except in cases like Padilla, where defendants are given incompetent legal advice before entering plea deals. That was the crux of Padilla, not the state statute.
Uhh Hube – use real data
Uhh, idiot — look at the links within the post I provided. It uses the FBI’s OWN DATA.
Sheesh.
therefore you say that all are entitled to effective representation of counsel – therefore due process – am I reading that correctly??
therefore – kindly let your fellow conservatives, Tea Party folks and Partiots know that the Bill of Rights applies to all residents of the United States and under the jurisdiction thereof…not just citizens.
they won’t listen to me -but then this site censors
notice that the Holder Justice Department is not claiming that the Arizona law is discriminatory, does not violate the civil rights of anyone. They are only arguing federal pre-emtion.
DA,
The USA allows legal entry to more aliens than any other country in the world (more than the next ten combined actually)
The USA grants preminant residence to more aliens than any other country in the world (and more than the next ten combined)
the USA grants citizenship to more aliens than any other country in the world and more than the next ten contries combined.
Our invasion problem is not caused by not letting enough people in…
so – why am I am idiot for suggesting one gets the information from the horse’s mouth – as opposed to the horses’ other end? just to ensure accuracy…
you see folks – cannot have a reasonable, civil discussion with some folks – they cannot win so it degenerates to name calling – moderate thinkers and mature people don’t usually go there Hube – you just make yourself look bad.
what was that saying about “laying with dogs, and getting up with fleas??”
annoni
no its caused by not allowing enough temporary – TEMPORARY – workers in and making the process easier to leave and renenter for work – as OUR need for labor rises and falls.
Work-based immigration for temporary workers based on our labor needs would have gone a long way to solving this issue years ago. But BOTH parties failed in their responsibility to address it after the Regan amnesty
oddly enough, the R’s were kinder and gentler to forgein labor than the D’s ever were – Clinton did more to stop it than Bush ever did. those are the facts
and now we have a massive mess on our hands
so – why am I am idiot for suggesting one gets the information from the horse’s mouth – as opposed to the horses’ other end? just to ensure accuracy…
moderate thinkers and mature people don’t usually go there Hube – you just make yourself look bad.
Because you neglected to take note that the source material of my information was the FBI! That’s why. Usually, before countering someone’s claim, people read what the person has provided. You did not. Therefore, you came off looking precisely as I noted.
Who looks bad now?
Apo Wichiapi, chill out a little dude. You simply triped the blogs spam filter. If you post more than one link in a comment it is set aside for the moderators to verify that the post is legit and not spam.
By the way, I don’t have anything to do with resist net. Apparently you do. As for the 9-12 site you are correct those comments are there, however none are mine. Check a little further and you will see that the Tim in question has a different last name than me. Thanks for brining it to my attention though. I’ll talk to them about taking the offensive post down.
Look at that! Censorship, at your request. Aren’t you proud to be a participant in the censorship process. Oh wait, you don’t like censorship, or at least you don’t like it when you think you are the one being censored but as long as you are the one on the righteous crusade to shut others up it is okay.
..therefore you say that all are entitled to effective representation of counsel – therefore due process – am I reading that correctly??
I didn’t say it, the court in Padilla did, but yes.
therefore – kindly let your fellow conservatives…know that the Bill of Rights applies to all residents of the United States…not just citizens.
This is under dabate, but we’ll say you’re right…what Amendment does asking proof of citizenship (which, in many states, is merely a driver’s license) violate, assuming the request was precipitated by legal police contact?
I think it’s less important to debate the merits of the Arizona law than it is to recognize that Arizona is a sovereign state; its laws are not subject to the approval of residents of other states, or the federal government. Some might disagree with this particular law, but the Arizona legislature still had the constitutional right to pass it. If the people don’t like it, they’ll vote them out.
R.I. troopers embrace firm immigration role [Rhode Island already doing what Arizona intends to do]
Boston Globe ^ | July 6, 2010 | Maria Sacchetti
SCITUATE, R.I. — Rhode Island State Trooper Nuno Vasconcelos was patrolling Interstate 95 a few months ago when he came upon a two-car accident in heavy traffic. The trooper pulled up, stepped out of his cruiser, and asked one of the drivers for his license.
The man said he did not have a license, and under questioning, confessed that he was here illegally from Guatemala.
If the accident had happened 15 miles north in Massachusetts, the man would probably have been arrested for driving without a license, which carries a fine of up to $1,000 and 10 days in jail, then released pending an appearance in district court.
But in Rhode Island, illegal immigrants face a far greater penalty: deportation.
From Woonsocket to Westerly, the troopers patrolling the nation’s smallest state are reporting all illegal immigrants they encounter, even on routine stops such as speeding, to US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE.
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These procedures are in effect in Rhode Island, and challenges have been defeated. In Muehler v. Mena, The US Supreme Court ruled that police do not need any reason to ask someone about their immigration status, and based on that decision, the US Court of Appeals for the First Circuit upheld the Rhode Island procedures in Estrada v. Rhode Island.
The story Annoni quotes is a great one. If anyone wonders what enforcement of the Arizona law will look like all they have to do is look at Rhode Island. I’ve added a link because the video is worth looking at as well.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2010/07/06/ri_troopers_embrace_firm_immigration_role/
I think it is interesting that A. Q. takes screen shots of comments on an open forum. He was wrong to conflate a statement by a private individual that was scrubbed by organization because they obviously do not share the beliefs as belonging to the organization. I wouldn’t give it credence if they left it up but rebutted it. I think the fact that they took it off says volumes alright, but just the opposite of what he/she claims.
You can’t preempt comments. Sometimes I wish that I could, but the value of a free and open forum is greater thanthe cost.