Did I Miss Something?

  I purposefully waited before posting about the recent elections. I was afraid that if I wrote too soon, anything I said in my excitement over the outcome would sound like gloating.   I wanted to be able to give due credit to those who deserved it, for the hard-fought races and the wins, and to recognize the efforts of those who were unsuccessful without demeaning those efforts.   I went to my first Returns Day ever yesterday, this is a two-hundred year old tradition here in Sussex, where the winners and losers come together to “bury the hatchet”, and to show that even though one party won and one party lost, that they recognize that to be able to govern effectively for the people, that they will have to work together in the coming days, months, and years.   So after experiencing this tradition first hand, I was finally in the right state of mind to write about the elections.   That was until I opened my email from the Sussex GOP Executive Committee announcing the next monthly meeting on Nov. 12th.  SUSSEX COUNTY EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE REGIONAL MEETING MONDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2012 CHEER CENTER 20520 SAND HILL ROAD GEORGETOWN, DE 19947 7:00PM COME AND VENT! THIS IS A CHANCE TO EXCHANGE VIEWS AND IDEAS REGARDING THE RECENT ELECTIONS AND THE PATH FORWARD.   This was the entire email, nothing added and nothing deleted.   Did I miss something?   I understand that on the state level, and the national offices, the Delaware GOP again fell short, but that is really no surprise. We have a lot of work to do in this regard.   But I am troubled when the “leadership” of the Sussex GOP sends out an email that says, “COME AND VENT!”.   This from the “leadership” of the one county in the state that had huge success in electing and re-electing Republicans.  Exactly what are we suppose to vent about?  Maybe we should vent about re-electing incumbents like Ruth Briggs-King, Danny Short, Dave Wilson, Gary Simpson, or maybe we should be venting about Gerald Hocker moving successfully from the House to the Senate, or about Mr. Gray taking his place in the House. We even held all of our County Council seats that were challenged from without and within.   Maybe we should be venting about electing the young guns of Sussex, possibly the hardest working candidate Ernie Lopez, who defeated an openly gay man in the Rehoboth area, one who was endorsed by both Gov. Markell and Rep. Schwartzkopf, the unexpected Steve Smyk, who was attacked by outside agitators, or the lightning in a bottle Brian Pettyjohn, who stepped up and threw himself into a whirlwind full of hornets.   Or maybe we are expected to vent about the unsung hero of the entire election cycle, Rich Collins, yes he lost, but by a margin so small that John Atkins may not get a good night’s sleep from now until the next election.   I am truly troubled that the email sent by the Sussex GOP “leadership” announcing the first meeting following an election, that should be regarded as a real success for Sussex County, has the statement of,”COME AND VENT!”.   Instead of a positive message such as, “come out and share our successes”, or “come out and cheer our winners”, but no, we are encouraged to,,”COME AND VENT!”.   Granted, the second part of the message seems a bit more positive, “THIS IS A CHANCE TO EXCHANGE VIEWS AND IDEAS REGARDING THE RECENT ELECTIONS AND THE PATH FORWARD.”   That’s the easy part, look to the campaigns that were successful and realize it is about hard work, and finding the candidate that fits the race. Not about sitting in a room and venting.     This is not a positive message in my opinion, it is a message from a faction within the party that see the wins we achieved, as losses for their narrow political views.

42 thoughts on “Did I Miss Something?”

  1. Frank
    I am so glad you posted this. When my husband and I received the email we had the same reaction. My actual reaction was that oh great another depressing GOP meeting. As of lately I haven’t had a real reason to want to be at those meetings they haven’t be very informative but have been nothing short of venting situations without any real outcomes or leadership. I hate to say that maybe if we had more organization, guidance and excitement with what has been accomplished in the meetings and less venting more people would actually want to attend the GOP meetings. As someone who used to attend very frequently and took some time off for health issues coming back it looks like those meetings are for nothing more than the elite few and the general public isn’t welcome. I hope that in the future the GOP takes some time to reach out to the general public and involve everyone.

  2. On further reflection, Frank, maybe it’s a typo. It should have said “Come and Vend” because some of these folks will buy anything.

  3. Melody, I would encourage you to stay engaged, we need people who see beyond the venting, to see that it is about winning and governing.
    Even if this meeting is ment to vent about the Democrats winning, how is that productive? What we need to do is celebrate our wins and learn to duplicate them, we have only ourselve to blame for our losses, we need more hard work and less venting.

  4. Republicans and republican leaders and activists in Sussex County are VERY positive, and should be proud of the seats that were held, the new seats gained, and the work that was accomplished. All that was done with little or no support from the Executive committee.

    They have a history of mis aligned and mis guided efforts and communications and a lack of unifying leadership. What can be done to remedy this? I am not sure how to fix or mend this current trend. Maybe it does not need to be fixed. Maybe it is the changing landscape of the playing feild in Sussex, clubs, pac’s, and candidate volunteers get it done now. Not the executive committee.

    I agree with Frank, this should be a time of celabration for what was accomplished, and to begin planning how to find good candidates to run next time and get them ready to run.

  5. WP, exactly. We have two years to find, vet, and prepare candidates to run for all levels of government.
    The way we fix it is, we have to understand that not everyone will love every candidate.
    We here in Sussex have to undesrstand that the candidates that can win down here, cannot win in NCC and stop beating them up from afar.
    On the state level we must learn that we have a wide spectrum of ideological views from Selbyville to Wilmington, and it will always be difficult to find a candidate for state wide who can appeal to all. But not impposible, if we recognize this and work together to find the best choice we can and then all push in the same direction.
    However there is a vocal minority of preppers that will never like anyone that is put forth that does not preach doom and gloom, end of the world. Unfortunately this faction currently has a media mouth piece to keep them and their narrow political views stirred up. But even he has been marginalized due to recent media landscaping.
    We must be willing to recognize these RINOs, who are really libertarians in republican clothing and identify them and isolate them, the republican (small r) and libertarian(small l) ideology cannot cohabitate in one party for long. On the surface there seems to be similar views, but when examined more closely, it is easy to see that the two are far apart on how to achieve the goals of conservatism and the role of government.
    In large part this has come about due to the TEA movement that has attempted to co-op the GOP machine, while the GOP has attempted to ride the wave. I believe that this “partnership” is near its end, neither partner is really happy and have begun turning on each other giving the wins to the Democrats, something I predicted here a long time ago about the involvement of the TEA movement.
    This email does nothing to encourage working together in my view, but obnly further divides the factions within.
    Maybe at the meeting, instead of seating us by RDs, they should seat us based on whether we see the cup as half full or half empty.

  6. Rather than a new seating chart, how bout some leadership that is transparent, moves toward a common goal, puts up a platform that is workable, and galvanises the base, instead of skulking around in the shadows like some twisted puppet master? In short true leadership. All these comments directed squarely at the Sussex Executive committee.

    The current leadership reads like a bad joke. My grandfather, a minister, and a cia guy go into a bar…….

  7. Hint. There is no GOP in Delaware and what Sussex does is of no care for anyone. In Ncc not one state wide candidate got more than 23% of Ncc votes. The two county wides actually did much better, almost 40% without any party help
    A little research and I found out John Rollins is the make believe county chair. He must quit today
    Where was Siglar”s famous Rolodex? He must resign also
    Sussex, does not matter .

  8. It’s time for the GOP and the tea party to part ways. Candidates like Bodenweiser and Ayotte, supported by the Sussex GOP Excomm, will be the end of the GOP.

  9. In order to get rid of Tea Partiers like Bodie, Ayotte, Urquhart and COD, we must first get rid of Vance Phillips. Does anyone realize he brought all these people to the party?

  10. I would be cautious about labeling/identifying all those folks as Tea Party. You have the 9-12 Patriots, Progressive Growth Alliance, and perhaps other groups here in Sussex County as well.

    The current manifestation of what you referring to encompasses all those groups, not just Tea Party. So if you considered the Tea Party the disease and excised it from the body politic, you would still be infected because the infection was not caused by a single virus. As an example, if you were to rent a hall advertise an Agenda 21 expose or sustainability and watch who shows up. Not only will some Tea Party folks show up, but the 9-12 Patriots and the Rich Collins Progressive Growth Alliance will put in an appearance, just like moths to flame.

    In order for you to restore your house, you will have to decide who it’s inhabitants really should be and how inclusive you want or need to be from an ideological perspective. For instance, I’m really a centrist and I would not live in the same house as those who I consider off the deep end. Of course that’s just me. You can rebuild your house as you wish and include whoever you wish, but it is a fact that certain parties will not live together in the same house.

    You certainly need to rebuild, but like every building, you need to have both an architect and the home owners involved in the process. But first you have to decide what your needs are and by that I don’t mean what you need to do to win, but why you even exist and what your goals and objectives are. Winning is great but governing is hard work and you need understand what the constitutents want and need. I recognize that the party wants to stand for something but if the people don’t like what you stand for or don’t want what you are selling, it sorta seems like a mousetrap to me. Just because you build it doesn’t mean people will come. They have to want what you are selling.

  11. “We must be willing to recognize these RINOs, who are really libertarians in republican clothing and identify them and isolate them, the republican (small r) and libertarian(small l) ideology cannot cohabitate in one party for long. On the surface there seems to be similar views, but when examined more closely, it is easy to see that the two are far apart on how to achieve the goals of conservatism and the role of government.”

    Frank, I agree with you, and the Libertarian Party of Delaware is more than happy to take all the small l Libertarians who want to leave the party. Amicable divorces are a good thing.

  12. Dave #12, you are correct, when I use the TEA label it is because many of the sub groups grew out of the TEA movement, or maybe it was the other way around.
    When we speak of identifying them, well that is not hard within the party and the Sussex E C.
    They are usually the ones shouting about tyranny!
    Steve, I have often encouraged libetarians to join the Libertarian Party, I believe they would be happier, I know I would, not because I think they shouldn’t have a voice, but because they are singing in a different time signature than is the GOP and neither are able to hit the right notes for their intended audience.
    I was truly troubled by the likes of Will Mcvay who is most certainly a Libertarian, yet he chose to run as a Republican for no other reason than to hi-jack the GOP machine and to create confusion. That is not democracy, it is political terrorism.
    The reason these fringe groups have any voice at all is because they are shouting through the GOP microphone, take that away and they become nothing but a squeaking mouse. The GOP has to back away from their initial idea of coopting the TEA movement for their own gain. The GOP must surgically remove the cancer gene from the party. The GOP must become the party of conscientious conservatism, and leave the anger and the hate to the RINOs at the fringe.
    To be fair, in the beginning of the TEA movement there were a lot of ordinary people who had had enough and were motivated to do something about it, unfortunately they have been pushed aside by the haters and the shouters, the preppers who would like nothing better than to have riots in the streets so that they could pull their concealed carry from under their baggy coats and start shooting.
    I and others are hoping to find those reasonable people who have been pushed aside and appeal to them to stay and work within the GOP.

  13. Are we really still trying to make “Kevin Wade” a thing?

    Come on, it’s not happening.

  14. “I was truly troubled by the likes of Will Mcvay who is most certainly a Libertarian, yet he chose to run as a Republican for no other reason than to hi-jack the GOP machine and to create confusion. That is not democracy, it is political terrorism.”

    Frank, if that’s your definition of “political terrorism” we do have a problem. While I have come to believe you’re an honorable guy, the same thing cannot be said for the GOP leadership with respect to third parties over the past several years. It was the DE GOP leadership that killed fusion candidacies and raised the registration totals necessary for third parties to have ballot access. It was the GOP candidates and leadership who agreed to exclude all third parties at the UD debate, and then Sigler whined during the Brian Pettyjohn replacement furor that “no political party in Delaware should be disenfranchised” (that’s a close paraphrase). It was the national GOP in collusion with state parties that brought lawsuit after lawsuit to keep our presidential candidate off the ballot in Wisconsin, and barely failed to have him removed in Iowa and PA.

    It was the DE GOP that had the Party State Treasurer registered as a Democrat for purely political advantage.

    It was your state chair, Sigler again, who tried to get at least two of my candidates this year to change their party registration and run as Republicans AFTER they had already announced or filed as Libertarians.

    So I do not have much sympathy for the “GOP wounded by the political terrorism of Will McVay” line, because the Republicans in Delaware routinely try to play “take no prisoners” politics.

    Again, I do believe that you would act more appropriately if you were in charge, and I do believe there is room for some occasional tactical alliance and coalition building between the two groups.

    But please don’t try to sell the “evil Will McVay” and the “victimized GOP” line when your party has engaged in far worse tactics.

  15. Two things happened to the GOP, not just in Delaware, but nationally.

    The first is that the GOP was hijacked, or maybe not really hijacked, as they deliberately courted the hijacking. So maybe they were seduced rather than hijacked by extremists (Christian right on social issues and libertarian on secular issues).

    The second is that the world changed and the GOP got Left Behind (just a little snark). There is still vast majority who are looking for the culprit in all this (Karl Rove?). It could not have been their ideas, it must have just been a bad campaign or perhaps the candidates weren’t conservative enough, or the message wasn’t delivered properly. So Fox News readies MundoFox as delivering the same message in Spanish will make the difference. Stinking immigrants in Spanish doesn’t make it more acceptable.

    So we’ll all see what they do. Double down on the same game or recognize that they no longer have a majority with only their chosen demographic. So what’s it gonna be? Agenda 21 or well maintained roads and safe water? It shouldn’t be very long before we find out.

  16. Semper fi to those who know what that means, 237 years.

    I think the focus of this post is “venting” which is needed very badly because within the GOP most people will talk to five other people about a person looking for “dirt” instead of simply calling or contacting that person. I was called by a friend yesterday who asked if I had switched parties and I had no idea what he meant. Others who have little courage or manhood hide behind fake names and use a keyboard to replace what they lack.

    The sad part is since 2002 when we controlled the state house 29-12 and had some state wide credibility the GOP has sunk and after each election we have a post mortem when things are discussed and nothing changes. The serious decline started before Christine O Donnell’s win and in fact was put in place in 1988.

    The De GOP still has no structure, no plan to win or to be organized and has cratered. Let me offer some specifics. In my race this year we laid out 10 things the GOP had to do and essential to winning. I got agreement and in the end two of them and throughout the summer I reached out to the County Chair over 35 times by email and received a grand total of four emails back. One told me I was nothing but a complainer and I would get nothing but the endorsement on paper. That’s right nothing. I did get my filing fee back which did help.

    A simple request for a recorded robo call by the County Committee was refused also. I asked for some coordination among the regions to flesh out the civic list we put together, there never was any. We worked hard and put together over 500 contacts in 500+ neighborhoods but could get any assistance from delegates or committee members to do provide the on the ground work. Most of the civic leaders were very apolitical so we needed committed R’s to help. In one email from the HQ asking all in NCC to provide information there were only three responses out of over 200 delegates.

    Most importantly, we rewarded a man who ripped off the GOP, who had no command of any issues and was the ultimate opportunist yet I could no one to stand in the GOP and quote the facts on Bullock. There were recordings spelling out his flip flopping and complete screw job of the GOP. All he had going for him was the D next to his name. I was told it would “uncover” things in the GOP.

    Numbers. In one third of NCC we have no organization at all. Not a functioning RD committee or any viable team. It is impossible to win in a county with 27 districts when 9 of the RD’s do not function at all. Sadly, it hurt our state wide candidates the most, all good people and it doomed their chances.

    So again while so many use these blogs and behind the scenes attacks to hack away at people the DE GOP remains splintered, ineffective and the Democrats are running the state into the ground.

    Yes, we need to vent and get the nonsense out of the way. I doubt it will happen.

    I will enjoy Veterans Day at the Delaware Veteran’s home with my Mother and I will ignore the random anonymous attacks. If you can contribute something positive then do so but save the childish insignificant comments. While the anonymous hacks were disparaging others some really top notch people lost this year after a lot of sacrifice and effort.
    Mike Protack

  17. By the way, has anyone told David Anderson that Allen West lost, but still managed to act like the nutcase he is all the way to the end?

  18. Just reading the threads, it appears that the Sussex Chair was correct. Venting needs to be the first act of business. As bad as you were beaten I would recommend the meeting stretch into the early hours of the morning… Even those expressing they don’t need to vent, need to show up to make their voices heard by venting at the meeting as well…

  19. Steve Newton, it is not the responsibility of the GOP or the Democrats to create or support your third party. It is up to you to build the support.
    My view of the “Will McVays” of the world comes from my perspective of being a Republican, from wanting to protect the brand, the same as you would be well served to protect your Libertarian brand. Any cross, or fusion of the two dilutes both messages. You do not win by becoming that which you oppose.
    Mr. Protack, you are correct when you point out the trouble the GOP has at the R D level, I can’t speak to the specifics of NCC, but I can tell you that in S C the number one problem we have is that many of the so called activist spend more time agitating in other R Ds than they do working in their own.
    We have people coming to R D meeting in a district that they do not live in and criticizing and attempting to steer that district.
    My view is that each person who is motivated to work in an R D to help candidates, should focus on their own backyards. This way the candidates that come from that district will better represent the views of the people who live there. They should work as hard as possible to send that person to Dover, if all the R Ds were run this way we would have a better cross section of the state population represented in the General Assembly.
    But unfortunately, at least in Sussex, we have groups and individuals who want to build their version of the ROBO CANDIDATE that they think will win any and all elections no matter the make-up of the districts. This will never see us in control of the agenda in Dover.
    How does this translate to the state wide and national races?
    It is much easier to get people to compromise on state wide and national races if they have a local representative and senator that they feel are closely aligned with their views. What the preppers down here do not understand is that just as a local Rep. or Sen. should fit that specific district, a state wide or national candidate must fit the majority of the state constituency.
    If we in Sussex will only support the untra right religious progressives, then that candidate will not appeal to NCC and Kent. We must also face the growing reality that to build the party we must find a way to appeal to democrat voters and convert them, at least on a race by race basis for now. Without compromising on values and principles, not an easy task, I admit. But it has been done and can be done, we did it here in the 19th and 35th, because we have conservative Democrats here, but that can be done elsewhere, but not by shouting and name calling.
    Anger is the refuge of the uninformed.
    QFD #16, “Are we really still trying to make “Kevin Wade” a thing?” Well I just got another email fro the Sussex GOP announcing that Mr. Wade will be the guest speaker at the Monday night vent fest! Draw your own conclusions.

  20. Shorter Frank: it is ok for the GOP to crap on third parties, but it is not ok for third parties to crap on the GOP in return.

    OK. Now I know where you stand, all rhetoric aside.

  21. Frank Knotts writes in #22: “We must also face the growing reality that to build the party we must find a way to appeal to democrat voters and convert them,”

    Absolutel, but I am still waiting in vain for anyone to rise to the challenge of analyzing and thinking through in DEPTH WHY you envision a Democrat would vote for a Republican.

    I ask this to help you find solutions, not to be difficult. I agree completely with Frank that the question is best answered individually in each R.D.

    But if you don’t focus on that question (one of several questions needing attention, of course) one will be flailing at the leaves and branches and overlooking the roots of the problem.

    Map it out: Do some imagineering, as Disney put it. Plan out in your own thinking WHY would the Democrats in your R.D. ever vote for anyone other than their own party’s nominee. If they bothered to register as a Democrat, why not just vote for the Democrat nomine?

    And if the Republican and the Democrat offer the same agenda, what would motivate a Democrat to vote against his own party? If it’s all the same either way, why not stick with his own chosen party?

    I am not saying there isn’t a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I believe there IS an answer. Reagan proved it.

    But you will never find the answer if you aren’t looking. And, yes, the answer may not be a “one size fits all” answer, it may be best considered individually in each different R.D.

  22. Frank- The GOP needs more Liberty- minded Republicans if we are to ever move forward in the state, and nation. We should welcome them to the party, as they are largely comprised of young, energetic, and enthusiastic voters. I wrote during the RNC that I thought they made a huge mistake when the GOP changed the rules, stripping Ron Paul of his delegates, and that that move could come back to hurt Romney in the General Election, and it did. Last week voter turn out was down millions from 2008, and I feel that many Ron Paul supporters either stayed home, or chose to vote for Gary Johnson. In Florida Romney lost by around 46K votes(Ron Paul had 117K votes in the Republican Primary), in New Hampshire Romney lost be around 40K votes(Ron Paul had 56K votes in the Republican Primary), in Ohio Romney lost by around 107K votes(Ron Paul had 113K votes in the Republican Primary), and in Virginia Romney lost by around 100K votes(Ron Paul had 107K votes in the Republican Primary). During the Republican Primary Ron Paul finished second in New York, North Carolina, Conneticut, Virginia, and New Hampshire. I am not saying they we need to compromise our principles and values, but I do feel that we need to appeal to younger generations, and by doing so we can build a stronger party comprised of moderates, conservatives, as well as Liberty- minded Republicans.

  23. Which Republicans are NOT liberty-minded?

    Libertarians’ problem is that the logical progression of their philosophy leads to anarchy. We enter into this government precisely because we WANT some control over the populace.

    Lots of people who thought they were good Republicans slid into Libertarianism lite through groups like the 9/12 DE Patriots.

  24. The notion that you can add Ron Paul’s primary numbers to Romney’s general election numbers to get a vote total is simply silly, Mike.

    In order for those numbers to mean anything, you have to believe two things:

    1. That none of the Ron Paul primary voters voted for Romney in the general, and

    2. That all of the Romney general election voters would have voted for Ron Paul.

  25. QFD: I don’t agree with “pure” Libertarianism in which there is the legalization of drugs, anarchy, and some of the anti government views that some share. I do believe however that there are those that share Republican and Libertarian values, in which a government that governs least, governs best. There are Republicans that supported NDAA and the Patriot Act, which strip us of our liberty and freedom. Nitpicker: I was only giving my opinion on why I feel Romney lost. Can you give me an explanation on why voter turnout was so much lower than 2008?

  26. 2008 was a historic election for a lot of people, this one really wasn’t…

    It’s not that hard to figure out, Obama was a much better more powerful candidate in 2008 and the country was in much more dire situation, loony toon ton foil hat wearing militia members aside.

  27. Steve Newton #23, “it is ok for the GOP to crap on third parties, but it is not ok for third parties to crap on the GOP in return.”
    Steve I am sorry that you are unhappy with the role your third party is in, but again it is not the responsiblity of the GOP or the democrats to ensure compotition. Should McDonalds send customers to Burger King just to make sure that Burger King survives?
    JM#24 asks why Democrats would vote for Republican candidates. Jon you are demonstrating a very narrow understanding of reality. It happens all the time. Maybe the Republican is just a better candidate, maybe the Democrat has a history. But maybe just maybe the Republican was better at delivering the message. Maybe the Democrat voters are just Democrats because of a family tradition, but votes for the better candidate. I have voted for Democrats, have you never voted outside your party?
    Mike Rowe #25, Mike I am sorry but your Ron Paul example in my view makes my case. Ron Paul is clearly a libertarian who ran as a Republican in an attempt to coopt the GOP microphone. Wonder what would have happened had he not run originally as a Republican? Let’s suppose you are correct about his supporters not voting, might that have been different if Paul had not been in the mix as a Republican? Might Romney have won? Who really knows? But in my opinion these libertarian candidates do more harm to the GOP than good. They are too rigid and they drive more people to the Democrats.
    As for the Patriot Act, tell me what Liberty you have lost? We sit here and openly criticize our government on a daily basis, has anyone knocked on your door?
    Now Mike I will address your first point, “The GOP needs more Liberty- minded Republicans “. Not sure what you mean here Mike. So I will speak to my view of the difference between Republicans and Libertarians.
    Republicans recognize that The Bill of Right are intended to protect the citizen from the government. However, Libertarians seem to believe that The Bill of Rights was intended as no government.
    I admit that we have traveled far from the original intent, but today’s Libertarians come across as sounding as if they believe there is no role for governement.
    Again, I recognize that like the TEA movement, the Libertarian party has been taken over by people who hate government, they hate certain peoples, they hate certain religions, they hate anyone who disagrees with them. They come across as angry when debating their views.
    And of course there is some of that in all parties, but the Libertarians seem more like Democrats than Republicans when they act this way.

  28. Frank- Ron Paul is pro- life, is a Christian, is a Conservative….not exactly the views shared by many members of the Libertarian Party. The Patriot Act has resulted in people being stripped of their rights by being groped by TSA agents and we’ve seen an increase in the amount of cameras on public roadways, in the name of safety. Frank…I don’t disagree with you about your description of some members of the LP, but I still think that there is a place for people who share some of their views. I myself share some of the views of the LP, except for when it comes to social issues. Regardless, I am pleased with the results of the election for GOP candidates in Sussex…especially Western Sussex. We have work to do, and we all must work together in order to be successful leading up to the next election.

  29. “Can you give me an explanation on why voter turnout was so much lower than 2008?”

    I haven’t seen numbers on that, so I’m not sure who stayed home. The way it seemed to me was that the R side was depending on getting a good chunk of votes that were not so much “for Romney” as they were “against Obama”. I thought Romney’s stump theme earlier in the year – “Obama’s a nice guy, but hasn’t turned things around fast enough” – was more effective, and certainly more refreshing than the “he’s an America-hating foreign-thinking devil who wants to destroy America” stuff which became dominant later on (or at least became dominant among the independent expenditure bunch). On my side, there may have been enough disbelief that Romney could actually win, that more people didn’t bother. Another factor is that in 2008, the D’s were working harder in a larger number of states. Because of the D primaries in 2008, there was a longer lead time on state-by-state organizations. This election was much more focused on the make-or-break states like VA FL OH MI WI IA CO and NV. IMHO, if you want to base theories on turnout, it would be good to have turnout numbers by state. There are a lot of voters in CA, NY, and TX, but nobody in those states was under any impression that running up the popular vote count was going to matter. So my question back – without having any numbers – is whether turnout was low because the result in a lot of large states, and I would include PA, was a foregone conclusion early on. What did turnout look like in VA, OH and FL?

    But as a D, I had a lot more doubt in the outcome in 2008 than this time around. And that’s mainly because the defining attacks against Romney were framed by his Republican competitors during the primaries. This business of “Romney didn’t effectively respond to the Democratic ‘Bain attacks'” requires profound amnesia. Perry, Gingrich and Santorum left Romney mortally wounded and offered zero assistance in the general election.

  30. In Delaware the GOP is doomed until we get leadership in New Castle County, everything else matters very little. You can’t have almost 40% of the RD’s with no one working. You can’t have 60% ED positions unfilled. You can’t have a County Committee which does not function and has no leader. You can’t have a County Chairman telling a candidate to shut up and all you are entitle to is a “paper endorsement” and nothing else.
    Mike Protack

  31. Mike: Lots of candidates get no help from their party, and it’s just as true of Democrats as Republicans.

    Ask Dennis Spivack how much money he got from the Democratic Party. Ask Micheal Miller. Ask Cari DiSantis.

    NO party simply forks over a bunch of money just because you run with their letter after your name. Both parties look for candidates that have fund-raising abilities, and offer little help to those with slim chances of winning.

  32. Aw, Geezer, the problem with Republicans is that they can’t get anything done unless someone is giving them a handout. They don’t believe in individual achievement, and think everything depends on collectivism and redistribution of resources.

  33. Vent Vent Vent will do little good until the GOP has some real leaders. Right now there must be 10 splinter groups (9-12. Founders Values, Faith and Freedom, Rail Splitters, Tea Party) and NCC still is a train wreck. BTW, does NCC have a County Leader or is it the small group of regional people, if there is a County Chairman/woman they need to fess up why he/she failed so badly in 2012.

    You know the GOP is going no where when Lavelle is considered to be the new voice, I guess they did not check with Copeland. Lavelle ran a dirty race ( I would not vote for him) in the last Republican area of NCC, he will get chewed up like Copeland did if he goes state level.Kovach in 2014, you can’t be serious Mini Mike is done. Matlusky, a former Chairman is now with the D’s in Wilmington I hear. Hard to get it but Greg Gross former Castle staffer for 10 years ran a Democrat county campaign from the state chamber job he got because of Castle and Gross also was part of Doughty’s campaign in Newark, I could not believe it when I saw Gross at Doughty’s event knowing he was with the D’s.

    NCC **** it , wake up Gordon and Bullock are going to screw up real fast and you better be ready.

    If the current candidates did not get at least 30% in NCC this fall forget it, you are not worth it.

  34. “Vent Vent Vent will do little good until the GOP has some real leaders.”

    So you think the Democrats do well because they have “real leaders”? Rest assured they don’t. In fact, their party-selected choices also lose in primaries. The difference is that the winners go on to win general elections.

    Furthermore, whoever you are, we are all aware of your long-running disdain for everyone in the party except Mike Protack. The lament above, with a few names changed, is almost word-for-word the same sad song Mike began singing at least a decade ago and has sung ever since. Your insults about the people who have actually won an election once in a while have no substance; it’s just a laundry list of people who have more influence in GOP circles than Mike Protack does, along with your substance-free dismissals of them.

    Add in the fact that the only thing that ever changes is your screen name and you have the trifecta — someone who backs a loser, disdains more successful candidates and can’t cite anything beyond personal animus as a reason.

    You should look into a more rewarding hobby. Maybe watching porn.

  35. To Frank Knotts in #30:

    You still refuse to analyze or consider WHY a Democrat would vote for a Republican candidate?

    I don’t mean random chance, unpredictably.

    I mean what is your strategy as a Republican for getting a Democrat to vote for a Republican?

    If you do not have a strategy, then the entire rest of the discussion is pointless.

    Merely hoping for random chance is not a strategy.

    If you cannot articulate the process, step by step, start to finish, for how a Democrat goes through the process of voting for the other party, the Republican, then you cannot be a positive force for influencing that as an outcome.

  36. “Right now there must be 10 splinter groups (9-1p2. Founders Values, Faith and Freedom, Rail Splitters, Tea Party)”

    You call them splinter groups. I call them residue. Once upon a time was a grand old party that above all else believed in responsible governance. What remains is the residue of a once great party. While Democrats are well meaning, there is no longer any balance between what we want to achieve and what we can achieve within the fiscal and resource constraints. What we are left with are pseudo-leaders like Mitch McConnell whose sole objective was to make Obama a one term president and the rank and file residue who trample around the fringes searching for Sasquatch.

    R.I.P. G.O.P.

  37. “…what is your strategy as a Republican for getting a Democrat to vote for a Republican?”

    Why don’t you ask Mike Castle?

  38. For this Democrat, Mike Castle had a combination of positions I support — fiscal restraint, libertarian on social issues, at least somewhat supportive of environmental laws. I also measured him against the individuals he ran against, which is the part of politics that seems to elude Mr. Moseley. Relatively few people vote on ideological grounds, and their votes are locked in before the candidates are chosen. The rest of us weight the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates actually on the ballot.

    For example, I wouldn’t vote for anyone who is conservative on social issues unless there was no other choice. But in a contest between, say, Sarah Palin and Christine O’Donnell, I would vote for Palin every time, because she actually accomplished things in her career, and even before entering politics had shown an aptitude for hard work (salmon fishing is hard work). COD, on the other hand, has never held what most of us would consider a job. She wanted, and wants, to be on TV, because it looks like an easy gig — and if all you’re doing is repeating talking points, it is.

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