Delaware N.A.A.C.P. Takes Action on LaMar Gunn’s Stolen Election

Guest Post By: Jahi Issa Ph.D On November 17th, 2014, the Delaware N.A.A.C.P Sent this letter to: Governor Jack Markell Delaware Attorney General Joseph R. Biden III U.S. Justice Department, Voting Rights Acts &Civil Rights Division Ms. Elaine Manlove, State Election Commissioner Please consider this a formal complaint and request for an investigation into the November 4, 2014 election for the position of Recorder of Deeds in Kent County Delaware. The Delaware State Conference of Branches of the NAACP is making this request because a candidate who was declared the winner of the Election on November 4, 2014 has had his rights denied. This was brought about as the election results were over turned in a so-called recount performed by the Kent County board of Canvass. The NAACP has been informed by the candidate that there were several recounts of the absentee ballots performed in his presence giving him the victory. The final recount which was the only recount which gave the opponent victory was done without the purview of the candidate and even the media was asked to leave. Immediately following this recount, the Kent County Board of Canvass declared his opponent the winner. The count by the Department of Elections on the November 4, 2014 had candidate LaMar Gunn the winner by two votes. The so called recount made his opponent the winner by two votes. This situation was compounded with the contention of an increase of two votes, which caused an increase in the total number of votes counted by the Department of Elections on November 4, 2014 and the total number of votes counted by the Kent County Board of Canvass on November 6, 2014. The NAACP finds this decision not only outrageous and intolerable but the mishandling of this election is very troubling. We are calling upon you to intervene and investigate this matter accordingly. The NAACP is asking you to make a determination as to whether or not the actions of the Delaware Department of Elections and the Kent County Board of Canvass in this matter violates the rights of the candidate, the rights of the voters casting their vote for the candidate of their choice, and the Voting Rights Act, the fundamental one person one vote rule and the civil rights act. The NAACP also asks you to make a determination as to whether or not any person or persons committed any act of fraud or violated any criminal laws. The NAACP maintains that the potential for impropriety in extraordinary due to the fact that none of the persons involved in the so called recount were people of color. Another potential act of impropriety includes the fact that candidate Gunn has reported to the NAACP that as part and parcel to the so called recount the Kent County Board of Canvass decided that any absentee ballots that had an X beside candidate Gunn’s name were counted as votes against him. This defies common sense and reeks of impropriety and discrimination that warrants an in depth investigation by you and your office accordingly. We are also asking the Delaware Attorney General and the US Department of Justice to institute and investigation of the Delaware Department of Elections and the Board of Canvassing for Kent County. It is our request that Governor Markell set up a bi-partisan committee to review the current election laws and suggest changes where necessary. Additionally, it is requested of the Delaware State Conference of NAACCP Branches that the Board of Canvassing declare LaMar Gunn the victor of the election and swear him in as the Recorder of Deeds at the appropriate time. I thank you for your prompt and immediate attention to this most important request. Sincerely Yours Richard Smith President Cc: Elaine Manlove, State Election Commissioner Attorney General, Beau Biden U.S. Justice Department

32 thoughts on “Delaware N.A.A.C.P. Takes Action on LaMar Gunn’s Stolen Election”

  1. Dear Readers:
    I posted this for the Delaware NAACP because the Declaration of Independence says in the second paragraph:

    “WE hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

    This letter shows only part of the heart and soul of a people who feel they have been terribly wronged, and respectfully ask for this wrong to be righted. I ask that their petition be addressed and a fair evidential process begin immediately.

    Delaware’s election system is totally corrupt and their is no auditory paper trail, except for the absentee ballot system and that too can be manipulated for the good of those in power.

  2. I support the Delaware NAACP in its effort to right a wrong in the botched “recount(s)” for Lamar Gunn’s election for Recorder of Deeds (Kent Co.).

    I am located in Wilmington, New Castle, DE and I concur w/NAACP findings that Delaware’s elections are corrupt from the Wilmington DemocraticCity Committee to the Delaware Democratic State Committee.

    Mr. Markell, as titular head of the Delaware Democratic Party I urge you to make needed changes to help relieve citizens of the ugly burden of being named (sic) ‘the ninth most corrupt state in the Union.’ The 38 % turnout for the 11/04/14 mid term election says it all. We need change and we need it NOW!!!!!

  3. I strongly urge the powers that be to conduct a thorough investigation. This does not sound right no matter how you look at it. When an election is this close, and there is that much controversy, there should be an above and beyond show of transparency. You can’t make the rules as you go along!
    For too long Delaware tries to control who gets in and who doesn’t. It is time for the voters voice to be heard.
    Councilwoman Maria D. Cabrera

  4. I FULLY AGREE WITH THE NAACP REGARDING A RECALL
    OF THE RECRDER OF DEEDS POSITION IN KENT COUNTY.

    FEL FREE T CALL ON ME TO ASSIST YOU IN ANY WAY

  5. Some years ago I attended a presentation on the Delaware voting machines and systems for reporting the votes to the central place.

    The others (LWV, Common Cause, etc) who attended were satisfied the system was robust, but I was not. (Not concluding the system could be rigged or was rigged, just that I was not confident that it could not be….) The fundamental problem is that there is no paper ballot or trail.

    ( I understand, though, that in the days of paper ballots and ballot boxes in Delaware, there was plenty of scumbaggery.)

    In Minnesota, people mark paper ballots and then put them into a machine for counting. The machine total is normally used but the paper ballots are available and can be used in recounts, etc. This seems like a better system, with some of the advantages of both machines and paper ballots.

  6. Alan

    I like that Minnesota style voting much better than Delaware’s system, as you say because it can be audited and although nothing will ever be perfect, that is much better than we have in Delaware.
    The NAACP has a legitimate complaint and the Governor and all those addressed in this communication must take this seriously.

  7. The narrative of the recount process describes an insult to common decency and an out right exercise of white skin privilege. It would have been better had some other deceitful means of distorting the voters will been employed; one that did not employ such a crass boldness born of despicable cultural habit. I question the character of all those who could admit to a number of winning recounts having to be ignored due to one losing recount. Fortunately, these holdover behaviors from Delaware’s cultural past of the “White Man’s Party” are no longer immune to open public challenge by Black people. Whites of good will and character will weigh in and require that Justice prevail.

  8. Lamar Gunn ran a clean race. Very professional and passionate. Lamar Gunn was the victim of an over zealous system and questionable ethical accounting.

    I support a full investigation regardless of the outcome. “We the people” demand fairness and an un-biased assessment of the actual votes cast and tallied.
    A private non-political reassessment and a full investigation is in order.

    I support the NAACP efforts to demand an open and fair chance for justice an a responsible accounting of the votes that were cast in this race.

    Bob Williams
    Wilmington, De.

  9. Emery Graham
    “Whites of good will and character will weigh in and require that Justice prevail.”

    Respectfully statements like this do nothing to help heal the still open wound called racism and bigotry. Voters of good character regardless of their race should weigh in and require that justice prevail.

  10. I believe Emery Grahams comment to be a great comment and I am glad he spoke up. His comment expresses the concerns of his people and I commend him for it.

  11. Don I didn’t imply Mr. Graham’s comment wasn’t great, overall. I commented about one particular statement.

    The converse side of his statement is whites who don’t weigh in and require justice prevail, are of bad character.

    ANYONE who doesn’t weigh in and require justice could be considered of bad character, but it doesn’t mean they are. I will not put labels on people in that manner just because an individual or group of people doesn’t share my particular personal view.

  12. It’s time to challenge Delaware’s plantation politics head on and from as many angles as possible. The Delaware Election Code needs to be thoroughly rewritten as it has many provisions of questionable constitutionality and discriminates against minority parties and unaffiliated voters by excluding them from primaries. The high filing fees charged by the D and R parties also raises questions of race and class discrimination in ballot access. Above all, we need a thoroughly transparent, secure and efficient voting system as the current electronic voting system offers insufficient protection of election integrity.

  13. You also need to make sure that minority communities KNOW about this.

    We must always remember that if a tree falls in the forest, and it did not get reported in the News Journal or on Al Mascitti in WDEL, then the tree never fell.

    We just don’t get that. X or Y happens and we wonder why it doesn’t make a difference.

    We don’t get the fact that nobody except political junkies knew that it happened.

  14. Jon …….this story hit national media sources, mainstream and other within days of the recount. IMHO using tabloid terms like we see in the check out aisle of a grocery store amounts to sensationalism, it incites people initially but gets forgotten about almost immediately.

  15. We must always remember that if a tree falls in the forest, and it did not get reported in the News Journal or on Al Mascitti in WDEL, then the tree never fell.

    Old media, probably for old people. What are the ratings? What is the circulation? I’ll grant that all forms of old Media Inc. probably still matter for now. Probably not going to matter as people get smart phones and TVs and figure out that they don’t have to listen to old media anymore, though. (One could be forgiven for wondering if the average cat video on Youtube and many political channels all around the net already have more circulation/subscribers than Al Mascitti has listeners.)

    We just don’t get that. X or Y happens and we wonder why it doesn’t make a difference.

    We don’t get the fact that nobody except political junkies knew that it happened.

    You often don’t really seem to know what’s going on around you either.

    Meanwhile, if any of you want to do something significant and way out of proportion with respect to having influence than mere voting in line with your Democratic/Republican media bubbles and voting blocs then call your representatives and get them to read these 28 pages.

    It’s not irrelevant to your life or only relevant to foreign policy in far away, war torn nations like Syria and Iraq. It’s the main reason for your militarized police forces, their MRAPs, War Inc., shifts in “federal reserve notes” that do not align with your interests… etc.etc.etc.

    Big Picture.

    Apparently it’s already changing the votes of some Congressmen. So there you go. It’s possible that even a political pet and careerist like Coons might be effected by it, so call him up. It’s only 28 pages.

  16. That’s why we need alternative media.

    Al Mascitti, ratings

    Seem a little low…. so what do you need to compete with that, two kids playing the telephone game? Just kidding.

    Anyway, it’s all just more entertainment anyway:

    ….a call was made to the FCC, and the case presented. What we were told was that “talk shows are considered ENTERTAINMENT”, not news! In fact, the talk show host and outright lie, deceive distort and make up stuff from whole cloth. (delawareviewsjournal)

    They didn’t already know that it’s all entertainment?

    That’s rather entertaining, in itself. If you want actual investigative journalism then you’ll have to find it or do it yourself.

  17. Limbaugh is “old media”…how many millions listen?

    I’m not a big Limbaugh fan, but I do catch Mark Levin occasionally- way better than Limbaugh.

  18. William Christy November 24, 2014 at 10:33 “Jon …….this story hit national media sources, mainstream and other within days of the recount. ”

    That’s outstanding, I suggested several times that a friend with a column at the Washington Times champion it…. but, alas, no luck.

    But I can think of any other way to keep the pressure up, perhaps more retail actions like dropping a copy of the story in the mail to all pastors of Black churches, and inner city organizations of all kinds.

    It is bad enough for people to do these things. But for them to then turn around and fool people into thinking the Dixiecrats are their friends and allies is almost worse.

  19. mynym

    November 24, 2014 at 10:50

    We must always remember that if a tree falls in the forest, and it did not get reported in the News Journal or on Al Mascitti in WDEL, then the tree never fell.

    Old media, probably for old people. What are the ratings? What is the circulation? I’ll grant that all forms of old Media Inc. probably still matter for now

    The vast majority of people who actually vote still get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN and perhaps the mainstream (liberal) newspaper.

    All the enthusiasm about the news media, internet, and other forms of communication suggests that this may be the future of news. Perhaps. Maybe for the elections of 2052.

    But the enthusiasm of early-adopters for digital media and new forms of communication still reflects how only a tiny fraction of the people who vote get their news.

    For one thing, the old media is largely a passive experience.

    The new media requires assertive, diligent, active involvement to seek out the news.

    And the dominant problem with our voters in the United States is apathy.

    So using the new media, its adopters will seek out information about Snooky, Katy Pery, the Kardashians or their favorite sports team. But they will remain ridiculously ignorant about decisions affecting their entire lives and the future of their country.

    What a Kardashian is wearing will have absolutely no impact on a person’s life.

    Who gets elected can determine whether they and their neighbors lose their jobs and live in poverty or live in prosperity, whether they can afford to send their kids to college or not, whether they have health care that can cure them of disease or whether they die an early death.

    So falling for the hype about new media is a dangerous mistake. The vast majority of people still vote based on what the old media is reporting… and will continue to do so for the next 20 years at least.

    I am not saying ignore the new media.

    I am saying don’t ignore the old media.

  20. mynym — as for the conspiracy theories that you believe in, it is not that I aren’t aware of them (and I assume the same is true of other people).

    The issue is that having thoroughly investigated these topics, I am very certain that the conspiracy theories are untrue.

    For one thing, perhaps the bottom line, these conspiracy theories create an excuse immunizing our elected officials. Instead of throwing the bums out who have the power to make decisions about the law, government policies, etc…

    … these conspiracy theories DIVERT energy and attention AWAY from holding our elected officials accountable.

    For example, in the US Senate race in Virginia, Republican Ed Gillespie lost to incumbent Democrat Mark Warner (no relation to the old John Warner) by 1,071,283 for Democrat Warner to 1,054,556 for Republican Gillespie.

    But the “libertarian” (funded by a Democrat Clinton donor out of Texas) Sarvis took 2% of the vote or 53,396 votes.

    So the Republican lost by 16,727 votes while the fake “libertarian” took 53,396 votes.

    All these conspiracy theories, in addition to being inaccurate, consume time and energy and manpower that simply HELPS GET DEMOCRATS ELECTED.

    Just as Sarvis siphoned off enough libertarian votes from the Republican to re-elect Democrat US Senator Mark Warner…

    … so these conspiracy theories siphon off enough energy, time, and work, and manpower to help re-elect the very people you are most worried about.

  21. So using the new media, its adopters will seek out information about Snooky, Katy Pery, the Kardashians or their favorite sports team. But they will remain ridiculously ignorant about decisions affecting their entire lives and the future of their country.

    Yes. I actually had a few paragraphs written about all that but deleted them.

    You can say that about the vast majority of Americans with their freedumb fries and sodas that are too big to drink. (I sometimes wonder if diet is associated with making them passive and stupid, fit to make a killing on. Or perhaps it’s always been this way.) That’s most people. But the supposed political junkies (Provided they haven’t overdosed on the hopium that the Democrats have been selling or been killed in one of the wars that the Republicans have been selling.) could, in theory, use the new technology. A comments section on a blog, who is that? Political junkies. You…

    With respect to your marketing ideas… successful internet companies developed a marketing strategy of going for the network hubs, the people that everyone else (grandmothers) ask about which technology to use. And in order to do that, you have to pay attention to a lot of technical details (and philosophies) that make not one wit of difference to grandmothers wanting an Iphone but that do make a big difference to higher information content geeks. Many, including Edward Snowden, took the hopium and voted for Obama Inc. (Labor Zionism)… but if you think that they’re coming back to Republicans (Likud Zionism, War Inc.) then you’re mistaken. It’s like choosing the Afghan (Obama, hopium) war as the good war, as opposed to Operation Iraqi Liberation (Bush, OIL) being the bad war.

    Shrug. We antiwar types can swing elections and perhaps do higher impact things anyway, as you all position yourselves or market yourselves this way and that. Two Congressmen changing their votes and voting against Zionism is a small crack in the establishment, i.e. your establishment.

    “If that’s the condition upon which we’re saving our country… I don’t think, well…”

    That’s probably ultimately the same attitude that Moseley and many others have.

    I guess we’ll see. In some ways, so far so good… for us, not that any of you are doing much. I just gave you a way to make more of a difference than voting for Red or Blue like a bunch of children chasing your favorite colored balls.

    Call your representative and get more of them to read the 28 pages. “It changed my perspective on the world.”

    Uh huh.

  22. … these conspiracy theories DIVERT energy and attention AWAY from holding our elected officials accountable.

    We will see…

    Good luck.

  23. mynym November 24, 2014 at 16:13 “”And in order to do that, you have to pay attention to a lot of technical details (and philosophies) that make not one wit of difference to grandmothers wanting an Iphone but that do make a big difference to higher information content geeks.”

    This is hard for early adopters of technology to comprehend…..

    … but there are tens of millions of voters who don’t own a smart phone, and never will during their entire life.

    There are tens of millions of voters who vote for a couple more decades who will never own a smart phone.

    There are probably 50 million voters in America (and remember that fewer than half of the country’s 315 million Americans) who will ever use their smart phone to look up any information at all, either because they only use their smart phone as a phone or because they don’t have a smart phone.

    There are probably 50 million voters who will die without ever having used a smart phone to look up any news information whatsoever.

    While millions of Americans listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, 90% of the country’s 315 million people DO NOT.

    We — all of us — tend to think that if we heard something on Rush Limbaugh or Fox News or Sean Hannity or Laura Ingraham, that EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT.

    In fact, 90% of the country or your State DOES NOT KNOW that it ever happened.

    So then we wonder why don’t people vote with those events in mind? Why do Blacks continue to vote for their plantation slave masters?

    Well, if you walked around inner city communities (keying on the areas that are Democrat strongholds, not keying on race primarily) and do a survey in those inner city neighborhoods…

    … how many of those reliable Democrat voters do you think KNOW that their Dixiecrat Party stole the election from a Kent County African American Lamar Gunn?

    How many of those inner city Democrat voters saw it on their smart phone?

    Would you think that maybe 10% of those reliable Democrat voters heard about Lamar Gunn having the election stolen from him by the Dixiecrats?

    Next time those inner city residents vote, do you think they will factor in the Lamar Gunn injustice in their voting?

    Not if they don’t know about it.

  24. I see that none of you can support your apparently belief in the official conspiracy theory about the mythical cave man and CIA legend from Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan, Osama.

    All of that aside, it’s only 28 pages. You’re not diverting time and resources from anything so call your representatives and get them to read it. Like their war with Syria/Iran/Russia based on a false or bungled* pretexts, you can influence them. You’ll have way more impact than merely voting.

    *They actually bungled the WMD anthrax attacks in America that were meant to justify the Iraq invasion too if you were paying attention. I know, you weren’t paying attention because you were too busy with your “no blood for oil” signs or figuring out the best way to check your underpants for WMDs. Bungled again, yet they still went ahead with it. Chutzpah? Oy vey. (RIP Iraqis…) At least with the last form of bungling from your careerist clowns you can see that Chris “the careerist” Coons was ready to vote for acts of war while John “But I’m Jewish too.” Kerry was ready to be for the war before turning against it again. Pathetic, as usual. I’m beginning to expect nothing less than cowardice, careerism, corruption and yet another round of golf or another appearance on a late show from the collection of clowns and puppets supposedly running this country.

    But what is your excuse? Too many freedumb fries?

    Meh. Shrug…

  25. In fact, 90% of the country or your State DOES NOT KNOW that it ever happened.

    I know. I’m giving you a few ways out of being “political junkies” one layer of information above the average peasant. It seems to me that Chris “the careerist” Coons can read those 28 pages just as easily as Kevin “the true believer” Wade could have. It would change their perspectives and bring them back into alignment closer to the truth about progressives/hopium and conservatives/War Inc.

    It’s their job to know what happened and investigate.

    With respect to the rest note Bill Cosby, all a comedian said was “I’m not kidding. Google Bill Cosby and rape…” and look what eventually happened in the “mainstream media” and Hollywood. It may take a lot longer to change things given who owns the mainstream media in America and their ability to work as a tribe above all to generally squash stories about themselves. Or those that they perceive as being members of their tribe.

    It’s already clear that tribalists do not control the net and that there has been an exodus from so-called “mainstream media” in America by anyone that’s even marginally interested in truth. It’s not just “truthers.” Even Larry King is apparently working for RT now, etc…. seriously.

    And even that will probably change more than it already has.

    Disruptive technologies > “mainstream”/cultural control. Every time… I cannot think of a single example in history where that wasn’t the case. But I could be wrong.

  26. mynym November 25, 2014 at 10:46 “I see that none of you can support your apparently belief in the official conspiracy theory about the mythical cave man and CIA legend from Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan, Osama.

    All of that aside, it’s only 28 pages.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The fact that you don’t know what is in the 28 pages redacted as classified does not mean that you DO KNOW what is in the 28 pages.

    That is one of the problems with conspiracy theories.

    We don’t know what is in the 28 pages, therefore we DO know and claim that the 28 pages would say XYZ.

    I spent thousands of hours investigating and reviewing every aspect of all the different theories about 9/11.

    A family friend, Barbara Olson, died on Flight 77 when it smashed into the Pentagon. I attended her funeral, well, it is called something else in the Catholic Church when there isn’t a body to bury. But I was there in the Church while her family sobbing up front and giving their eulogies. I personally purchased little flags and lined the driveway with American flags planted in the ground leading up to the church (which I had a hard time finding at the last minute, when it occurred to me).

    The problem is not that people won’t investigate the 9/11 issue, but when they do they are absolutely convinced that Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda did it, and ADMITTED it on videotapes including private meetings with an Egyptian terrorist.

    We are also convinced that the conspiracy theories are 1,000 times more unbelievable and impossible than what actually happened.

    We also know that there is no “government explanation.” The explanation came from private individuals — from stewardesses employed by airlines, which are private companies, from eyewitnesses of all kinds. We the people told the government what happened on 9/11 — from private citizens.

    I have interviewed on the Conservative Commandos Radio Show eyewitnesses who were stuck in morning rush hour traffic on one of the THREE — COUNT THEM THREE — major highways that wrap around the Pentagon, and WATCHED Flight 77 fly up Columbia Pike, over their heads, and smash into the Pentagon.

    Conspiracy theories who don’t know the details imagine, I believe, that the Pentagon is a military base far out in the countryside. Since they don’t know the neighborhood, they imagine that it would be possible to fake an airplane hitting the Pentagon.

    People who actually live in Northern Virginia know that massive amounts of traffic wrap around the Pentagon. From one highway that connects Crystal City to Rossyln, you could throw a baseball from the highway and hit the wall of the Pentagon right where the helipad is.

    Conspiracy theories don’t understand the hundreds of thousands of people who live or work along the path of the airplane that hit the Pentagon — like the person in a high-rise apartment who looked DOWN on Flight 77 as it flew past, BELOW his apartment floor in the high-rise apartment.

    Some of the eyewitnesses include Arlington County firefighters who were out on an exercise. Arlington County is to the left of Mao Tse Tung politically.

    The problem with the 9/11 conspiracy theories — like many conspiracy theories, in fact — is that they are 10,000 times LESS believable and more impossible than the “official” version.

    And with 9/11, there isn’t just 1 theory. There are dozen theories — all contradictory to one another.

    So 9/11 conspiracy theorists will claim that there is evidence for their theory. But there are a dozen inconsistent theories. They all claim that there is evidence for each of the dozen mutually exclusive conspiracy theories.

    Opinion polls show that a majority of Americans think that the government did not tell us everything about the 9/11 attacks. I agree. I don’t either think that the government told us everything about the 9/11 attacks.

    But that does not mean that WHAT the government did not tell us has anything to do with who did it.

  27. Also, please correct one of the common mistakes in discussing 9/11.

    Osama Bin Laden did not move to a cave until THE NIGHT BEFORE the 9/11 attacks.

    Osama Bin Laden lived in lavish, massive, modern, very expensive, sprawling camps with high tech equipment and training facilities.

    Only the night BEFORE the 9/11 attacks did Osama Bin Laden break camp and move to an underground bunker in the mountains.

    Why do you think Osama Bin Laden moved the night before 9/11?

  28. The fact that you don’t know what is in the 28 pages redacted as classified does not mean that you DO KNOW what is in the 28 pages.

    What if I told you that I’ve already seen them? It wouldn’t matter.

    Just call your representatives, all of you. If you are all correct and the official “Just took a leak on me first, first!” story about an Islamic conspiracy created by The Toilet and reported by your so-called journalists is true then it will only solidify all the painstaking research that you’ve also done. (When not reading the Talmud or studying the Muslim Manchurian candidate…. etc.)

    To be clear, I have no use for those at the base of the model that is being used by national security states. Whether they’re the Nazis in the Ukraine, the white separatists used in the OKC bombing that Eric Holder helped with the cover up on, the Islamists in Syria/Iraq now or the Islamist Chechens that have been used against the Russians. And on and on.

    When it gets out of hand and the look away list of the terrists that the CIA forwards to the FBI goes boom, then you all get more freedumb and more “Boston Strong” shirts. Freedumb! I’m as guilty as the rest of you. I enjoy trying to figure things out based on facts, logic and evidence. The Trivium, etc. But I don’t do everything I should after figuring stuff out. Perhaps for me, figuring stuff out and writing about it and making use of all these interesting and new technologies is… more entertainment.

    I think it was Snowden who said something like, “I could have just continued… and went home to watch my favorite shows with my girlfriend. But what type of world would I be leaving to other?”

    Anyway, I’m not going to go through and eviscerate the “evidence” you’re citing. (Was that the Fat Osama video, “found” by special forces?) All I would say about it for now is, if you’re so certain of your national myths (What else is new…) then it’s totally harmless to call your representative and get them to read those 28 pages about the role of “foreign governments” in 911.

    GovernmentS.

    Government>>>>S<<<<<

    Figured I'd help you out a little. If you honestly want to debate the details and evidence (like the Fat Osama vid, etc.) and the way "covert operations" (aka conspiracies) often work then find me and we can debate it elsewhere. I'm around.

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