Comment Rescue: O’Donnell Whopper in her Own Words
Aug 19th, 2010 by Tennessee Walker
The Tri Party Tea Party has endorsed Christine O’Donnell. This is in a prior post. In the comment section of the post, there is a You Tube link to a May 2nd speech by O’Donnell In this speech, Christine O’Donnell tells the outrageous Whopper that she won 2 of 3 Counties in Delaware in the 2008 General Elcection against Joe Biden.
Now whether one considers this an outright lie or a demonstration of pure stupidity, only the reader can decide, but here are O’Donnell’s exact words on this You Tube Video. This can be found between 1:35 and 1:45 into this video.
Christine O’Donnell:
“I was the 2008 endorsed Republican Candidate in 2008 and I won 2 counties.” (Delaware only has 3. Christine also holds up 2 fingers to emphasize the point.)
Now for the uninformed Christine O’Donnell won Zero, Zip, Nada Delaware Counties in 2008. Here are the numbers:
NCC Kent Sussex
Biden 177,070 37,094 43,495
O’Donnell 69,491 27,981 43,123
I will leave it up to others why someone who is so challenged in Math skills should have a vote on the Federal Budget. Christine makes some other questionable statements on this video but let’s just focus on this blatant Whopper.
One has to wonder, Did the blatant distortions by O’Donnell impact this endorsement by the Tri Party Tea Partiers?
Certainly putting forth the falsehood that O’Donnell won 2 Counties in 2008 makes her appear electable.
Here is the You Tube Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02eMdmJtA4E
TW
Makes no difference, Castle is still a liberal and will vote with the current regime if elected.
O’Donnell is still a conservative and will vote and enact legislation for the good of the Republic if elected.
You and SF are still Castle sycophants and sodomites and will remain so until you are beaten on Sept 14.
I would expect no less than this from you WJ. When confronted by irrefutable evidence that O’Donnell has been way less than truthful you resort to the typical Team O’Donnell tactic of name calling. I ask open minded folks, not the ones who sniff the O’Donnell gold bricks (Thank You Jud Bennett), to watch the video. Christine’s wild claim that she won 2 Delaware Counties occur between 1:35 and !:45 of the video.
Who is telling the truth.
Maybe she meant that she won two counties’ support at the 2008 GOP convention. I imagine she’d remember that, as it’s the only thing she’s ever won in her life.
I’m still going to vote for her.
Heh.
Imagine that…a political candidate stretching the truth.
Wonder of wonders.
How many stakes must be driven into Ms. O’D's vampire heart?
WJ I am not working for Castle as you already know. My time is already taken up on other matters. I simply posted a you tube video that was already on our comments section. The fact is it is damaging to O’Donnell. A Professional would recognize this.
Note…a “professional” would recognize this.
Heh.
Us boobs simply don’t have it in us.
Every time Castle calls himself a Republican he lies.
Way I figger, O’Donnell’s got a whole lot more free lies before she comes anywhere near Castle.
It’s gotta be tough defending Castle. Ever notice they never DEFEND Castle…they spend all their time flailing at an admittedly sometimes hapless candidate who dares to run against him.
I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night having to do this all day.
How many stakes must be driven into Ms. O’D’s vampire heart?
“The suspense is terrible… I hope it’ll last. “
“Ever notice they never DEFEND Castle…they spend all their time flailing at an admittedly sometimes hapless candidate who dares to run against him.”
I’ve defended him numerous times, but I also admit I don’t always agree with him and I don’t try to sweep those disagreements under the rug and pretend like they never happened. TARP I will defend, bailouts I will not agree with but I can’t say that they necessarily were the wrong decision and they were Republican moves, I don’t agree with his stance on the 2nd Amendment or abortion, but I do support stem cell research.
The bottom line is this Castle doesn’t shy away from what he is, he freely admits he is a social moderate and a much more strict fiscal conservative. He makes no bones about it, whether you agree or disagree and I respect that.
O’Donnell doesn’t she’ll do anything to get votes sell out to anyone who will give her money or support her and lie when it suits her. That is not what we need in the Senate.
Not fair George C.. Christine won in 2 of 3 Delaware Counties in 2008. Just check the facts, Christine would never lie. Watch the video.
Pat said ,”Imagine that…a political candidate stretching the truth.”
Maybe she did mean the primary, but if you are going by the premise that she meant the general, and you think that is just stretching the truth, you have some real personal issues to work out.
George C
He makes no bones about who he is because he’s an elitist who is so sure he can get the votes to win, that he can vote any way he likes when elected and get away with it.
If elected, he would not be accountable to anyone because he will never seek reelection for anything.
With pseudo conservatives like TW on his side, bolstering his already over-inflated ego with their bully pulpits, his beliefs are probably correct unless the voters rise in mass and show him different on Sept 14.
But all this speculation doesn’t make any difference because according to TW’s former posting, as soon as Castle is elected, Castle will drop dead, of his own volition before the year’s end so he can take advantage of the current inheritance laws. Then, of course the governor can appoint Beau Biden to fill his “fathers seat,” which should be the “People’s seat.”
That was a great theory. It had been a while since I laughed so hard that it brought tears to my eyes, but that particular posting did the trick.
Anyone that believes that Castle won’t vote with the democrats if he is elected is blind to the fact that he is a liberal and not a social moderate.
My guess is that he will pull a Specter on us and switch parties so he doesn’t have to expend useless energy masquerading as a republican any longer.
Anyone that believes that Castle won’t vote with the democrats if he is elected is blind to the fact that he is a liberal and not a social moderate.
A Senator Castle will do what Mike Castle has always done: see which way the wind is blowing and go with the flow.
TW,
Has anyone asked Christine or her staff to account for and to explain her statement in the video?
FVoshell
Not a bad idea, I don’t have her number but I’m sure that someone on her staff is monitoring this site and hopefully give information soon. I am not on her staff so it won’t be me.
Maybe she’s waiting for this to play to the end before making commint.
I love the wingnut’s response to Tennessee Walker’s stone cold proof of the fact that their candidate is a liar: “So what?”
“He makes no bones about who he is because he’s an elitist who is so sure he can get the votes to win, that he can vote any way he likes when elected and get away with it.”
That makes no sense at all. Basically what you just said is that Castle doesn’t let worrying about re-election effect what he thinks is the right way to vote. Thanks for the endorsement. Stop with this elitist crap, ever notice how people who work hard become successful? This notion of elitism is ridiculous, Christine is part of the so called “people” because like most Americans she is lazy and accepts no responsibility for her actions.
“Christine is part of the so called “people” because like most Americans she is lazy and accepts no responsibility for her actions.”
Point of order Sir. As a member of “the people” I resemble that comment.
Cue comment by Hube … in 3 … 2 … 1 ….
George C
c’mon, Castle voted for cap and trade. He co-sponsored HR 2159, called “The Blacklist Bill.” Castle’s CO-RINO, Pete King R-NY, sponsored the bill and Castle like a good RINO jumped on board without hesitation.
This bill, if it became law would give the US Attorney General and anyone he appoints at the local level the right to declare anyone or any group of community activists, a terrorist group without proof or trial. Then revoke their Second Amendment rights.
Our good friend Mike Castle is doing us no favors. A disarmed nation is subject to becoming a dictatorship at the will of a powerful president.
This bill is a dangerous bill and would in fact nullify our right to bear arms on the decision of one man or his appointees.
Anybody can google this and have at least a synopsis of it within minutes. I remind you that the US Attorney General serves at the good pleasure of the President.
Handing more power to Congressman Castle is indeed dangerous. If you think he supports the Republic, please check his record for the last four years. This guy is dangerous and will have nothing to lose by voting any way he likes.
Windjammer,
The reason I asked is that it seems only fair to hear Christine speak for herself. Sometimes what seems obvious on the face of it really isn’t so obvious.
Let’s see what her explanation is.
Yeah….I got serious personal issues to work out.
Heh.
When somebody disagrees with you, just tell them they got serious personal issues to work out.
And this defense of Castle by calling him a truthful social moderate….
…well hey, you got serious personal issues to work out.
While his sponsorship of H.R. 2159 would be a fair question to put to Castle at a forum, I must remind folks that just because somebody sponsors something does not mean he’ll vote for it. Often times members will horsetrade sponsorships in exchange for votes on other matters important to them. I’m not making excuses for Castle by any means, especially considering his lifetime NRA rating of “F”. And I find the list of liberal nut jobs who co sponsor this to be an especially appalling group to be associated with (Norton-Holmes, Weiner, Rangel, Sestak, McCarthy, Maloney and Pascrell to name a few). But there is more to it than meets the eye and not even the American Conservative Union could ding him for this, since the House has not voted on it and likely never will.
The bill is still languishing at the subcommittee level according to Thomas and has not yet been given a hearing in this Congress. It’s a dead issue.
“I was the 2008 endorsed Republican Candidate in 2008 and I won 2 counties.”
At least she was the endorsed 2008 candidate in 2008. Any credit for that?
FV….
….I sat down with Christine my own self and asked her some of the accusations I read, even on this very board, about her.
As to why she didn’t file a timely return at the end of the 2008 election….she said for the quarter in question she’d received no contributions and didn’t think she had to file.
As to the story of being hit by a major IRS assessment, she said the IRS admitted the error and she has a letter from them admitting it was all an error.
Now I suppose those with serious personal issues to work out would say the above are lies….and there were more questions than the two above and Christine explained more to me than my cryptic synopsis above delineates….but she answered the questions well enough to suit me.
I suspect that Christine O’Donnell’s a political candidate and as such she might stretch things. I know in my heart that the claim she won two counties….I know there’s more to the story than this. I’m a political type of guy….I can smell a half told story. I suspect she was talking about the primary or maybe those final numbers came in…especially for Sussex….late with mail ins or something. I don’t suspect this because I think Christine O’donnell is any pinnacle of shining truth although I doubt she’s the big liar the hooting monkeys make her out to be. I know the woman and I believe her to be firm in her faith, honest for the most part, and a genuinely good person. I think she perceives herself worthy of being a leader and the wimpy amongst us tend to snort at this but myself thinks this is a fine thing. Those with a burning ambition to lead often have that ambition for a good reason…THEYRE BORN LEADERS! Even Obamer thought he was born to lead and hey, he did what he had to do. He was wrong, of course, but my dismay with him is not his quest for leadership.
While I’m at it…I believe TW’s explanation that O’Donnell claimed a lot of things at the 2008 GOP convention than she delivered. But I got common sense going on my head, unlike the Ruling Class that has none.
I really think that Christine and Vance Phillips believed they would get lots of bucks if she got the nomination. I believe that they had reason to believe Buzz Aldrin would show up to endors O’Donnell…..Aldrin being a bit of a show boat.
I think the OBama Hope and Change hooey took off greater than anyone thought and let us remember that Biden was running for VP AND Delaware Senator. At first I suspect there was some thought that a decent contender against Biden in Delaware would get some lift but the OBamer thing took it away. Buzz Aldrin decided Dancing With the Stars more of an exposure thing than getting all involved with a relatively unknown female candidate running against the next VP of the U.S. for God’;s sake.
I also believe that Christine O’Donnell got waaaaaaaaay more votes in that contest against Joe Biden than unknown nice guy Tim Smith from upper Slovobia Delaware ever would have garnered….but that’s just a hunch.
Because no matter how much they hoot and hollar and wave the flag and pee upon our feet whilst telling us it’s raining….I know there’s always more to the story.
so rather than going around proving their nothing burger hoopla I went right to the source. I listened to her, I believed her. I heard her speak on conservatism and I believe, go with me here and this is most important way beyond stretching the truth or taking a half baked promise and presenting it as fact….I believe that Christine O’Donnell willk NEVER vote for Cap and Tax, Never vote for FOETAL (note this is NOT adult stem cell research for those who can’t read) stem cell research, NEVER vote for free speech inhibiting DISCLOSE acts.
Her opponent, Mike Castle, has already voted for these things I so oppose and silly me, I am basing my vote on THIS set of beliefs.
No matter how they keep calling me names, telling me I have personal issues….no matter the mockery….I really believe my vote is based on a firm, common sense logic.
Mike
You think it’s a dead issue. In fact it is not. I don’t trust this administration at all. If they could get this bill passed at an awkward moment for the republican party, this would be a great victory for Marxist Nancy Pelosi, the plastic surgery queen.
Mike, I’ve spoken to you many times but your defense of Castle just doesn’t line up with your political beliefs.
From Faye V.
TW,
“Has anyone asked Christine or her staff to account for and to explain her statement in the video?”
As is usual Faye has asked a totally fair and honest question. Now the fact is that this post has been up for hours and so far the O’Donnell Campaign has done Zero, Zip, Nada. But all of us anxiously await the response of the O’Donelll Campaign. So far their Campaign has done nothing to respond to this. I iknow that the O’Donnell fan club will be ticked off that we did not deliver a hand written personal invitation for her to respond but that is the way of the world. The reality is that for the last 12 hours O’Donnell is AWOL
Hey TW
Nobody is going to be ticked off that you didn’t offer an invitation. You never meant to. This was an unexpected gift for you. I can picture the drool coming down your chin.
Yes FVvoshell’s question is fair and honest and they probably have lives, unlike yourself. They are probably thinking if this is a response that is worthy, considering the source.
They will probably respond when they are ready, not at your convenience. By the way, who died and left you in charge? You must think your feces doesn’t stink. Well, you are in a fantasy world.
Castles’ record speaks for itself and I never see you defending it. All you do is attack the opponent. That is a democratic tactic. You’ve been attacking O’Donnell personally for a period of time. It seems personal. What did she do to you? Did she personally dis you in some way. I just don’t understand why you would support a liberal idiot Washington insider, instead of a patriot.
So how is Christine considered a patriot? Was I asleep when she served her country? Just curious
Mark H
I don’t know if you were asleep or not. I know that she is a patriot simply because I’ve spoken to her and I know where she stands on the issues.
One doesn’t have to have an M16 in their hand in Iraq to be a patriot, but they must believe that the constitution must be the final law of the land. Not some interpretation from a ACLU lawyer but the real constitution. I read it last night in its entirety for the fifth time and its uncontested in my eyes.
I want our country back. Maybe it’s a pipe dream but many of my ancestors died for that pipe dream.
I’m not a young man and I’ve spoken to Christine and I believe that she will do the right thing. I know that Mike Castle will not do the right thing and that’s good enough for me.
Was John Jay a patriot? Or, just a “Founding Father”?
Here’s the definition of patriot: “one who loves and defends his or her country”
Just so we’re clear
Mark H
Thank you Mark, but that’s hardly an answer. I thank you for consulting the dictionary on this definition. It means that you care.
In my eyes, in these trying and threatening times, I believe that a patriot is a person that will stand up for his or her country, no matter what the circumstances and make their beliefs be known. They will also be instrumental in doing the work of the people. They may not agree with everything but their voice will be heard.
Our country is a diverse with many different opinions but only one constitution. Our decisions should be base on the constitution as it was written.
I don’t hate anybody but I love our country and won’t give an inch of ground to people who want to take my freedom,
Hi Windjammer…
You are right. My “defense” of Castle does not line up with my political beliefs. And I don’t think I’m defending him that strongly. I will admit that its a lowest common denomiator matter at this point to me. Castle can beat Coons and boost the rest of our ticket. And Castle on his worst day is far preferable to Coons. O’Donnell just can’t. No matter how hard we might wish it was otherwise, she can’t. At this point, I don’t even see it as a matter of choosing Castle over O’Donnell. O’Donnell at this time and place is simply not a choice. All I feel left with is Castle.
I’ve looked long and hard at Christine O’Donnell. Everyone knows this. I spent the better part of a month challenging her campaign to put forth its legislative vision. I have tried very hard to put aside the months of trash talk that has circulated about her. I’ve published a lengthy article praising the legislative agenda she released last month. Yet though her politics align with my own far more closely than do Castle’s, I have to conclude at this point that she is not only unelectable, but an ethics investigation waiting to happen if the Senate really decides to take a close look at her campaign and personal finances.
Her critics would say they are one and the same. It may not be fair, or even true. But at this point, perception has become reality.
And if she were to somehow win Joe Biden’s Senate seat and Democrats retain the majority, don’t think for a moment they won’t go after her. They will, with the News Journal leading the fight on the home front.
I think its time for Christine O’Donnell, especially in light of this latest embarrassment, to take a few years off, bring her immense talents to bear in the private sector and rehabilitate herself both politically and financially. In ten years, she’ll be the same age Michele Bachmann is now, and far better prepared for public office.
As for H.R. 2159 , I’ve only said that there is more to the matter than meets the eye and that if it can’t escape the subcommittee level in this Congress, its chances of becoming law are non existent. You are right that if there were any way at all it could be done, Pelosi would try. The fact that it continues to collect dust I believe only verifies my point.
“TW,
Has anyone asked Christine or her staff to account for and to explain her statement in the video?”
Gheez Faye I love you and you are really sweet but these comments are from May 2nd. This makes them over 3 months old. How long is Christine O’Donnell supposed to be given to clarify over 3 month old remarks???
Really you O’Donnell apoligists need to get a life. Would any of you give any politician over 3 months to clarify their remarks? O’Donnell made a provably wrong statement on May 2nd. In no person’s mind did she carry 2 counties in 2008 in Delaware. How many ways do you O’Donnellisistas want to try to spin this. SHE TOLD A LIE in Philadelphia!!!
Faye why is it my responsibility to get O’Donnell to prove she isn’t lying. We have a whole crew of O’Donnell syncophants who will spend the next few days doing just that.
Mike
I appreciate your candid answer as always. I have worked with you and know you to be honest and well versed in current politics.
I have a different view. I view it as being a time of decisions and a time to stand on the constitution. I really believe that what I have said regarding Mike castle is true. He has passed his time and should retire before he disgraces himself.
I will not bend on the constitution and I believe that you wouldn’t either. That being said, I will NOT settle for second best and neither should you. I believe this election is crucial and cannot be slighted in any way. If they win this and we don’t prevail, it might come down to a civil war.
I would rather elect a novice like Chrsitine O’Donnell that have Castle serve when I know that he doesn’t represent the constitution as i read it.
I majored in English at the U of D and the constitution is very plain to me and not open to interpretation.
I believe that O’Donnell can win. She is gaining support nationally and will win Sussex and maybe Kent. There is three and a half weeks left until the primary and Castle’s money will not buy my support.
I won’t be sold down the river by a politician that has already sold his soul to the Marxists that are in power.
I can’t be bought and won’t accept second best just because people don’t believe that the best can’t be victorious. I know that Christine can beat Coons, if she wins the primary.
Please consider my words and the constitution and let your heart guide you and your decision will be the correct one.
Maybe you should just give up on us boobs, TW.
I know I could sure use a break from your hysteria.
Remember that post that had you hooting and hollering cause some campaign writer suggested Castle might turn Democrat?
What a big nothing burger that was. People are still suggesting such a thing but hey, they’re not O’Donnell so you think that’s just fine.
I’m going to vote for her and everytime you put up one of these hooting and hollering posts you make me more sure I do the right thing.
Us nuts who like O’Donnell are nuts. Leave us alone in our world…we like it in here.
LOL…I see that the intra-party warfare migrated over here to roost. Anything to say about Coons??? Any news? Any dirt? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
TW,
Well, thank you for those expressions of affection.
However, I did say “anyone,” which indicates I thought there might be someone out there who had an answer–not necessarily just you.
We’ll see if Christine feels led to provide an explanation.
The only numbers which matters are the number of bad votes Castle has made. He has to go.
The only numbers which matters are the number of bad votes Castle has made. He has to go.
And he will, in November. Because of his bad votes.
Thanks for the help knocking down Castle’s support, teabagz! It has been a pleasure working with you.
If anyone called Christine at her home (I mean office), I’m fairly certain her staff would simply hang up, like they did to the NJ. Nice professionalism.
I will leave it up to others why someone who is so challenged in Math skills should have a vote on the Federal Budget.…TW
Yeah, we should leave it to the mathematical geniuses like Castle, who in just a few years, racked-up a 13-trillion dollar deficit.
WJ…
Your English degree serves you well. Your passion for the O’Donnell campaign is well expressed. Ditto your defense of the Constitution.
My mind as always is open, as any good conservatives should be. I am just not hopeful at this point that it can be changed. Should she win though, I will certainly allow you to serve the crow. And I’ll but only ask where the salt is.
Tim Smith isn’t from upper anything Pat Fish. Tim Smith is a Western Sussex County businessman who won the Sussex County vote at the Convention. He’s a Christian Conservative and lives by Christian values and he knows how many counties Delaware has.
It was those “upper Slobovia Delaware” Republicans that gave Christine the nomination.
“Yeah, we should leave it to the mathematical geniuses like Castle, who in just a few years, racked-up a 13-trillion dollar deficit.”
Spare me, he voted against the Stimulus and Obamacare. He is a fiscal conservative and balanced the budget very successfully as a Delaware Governor.
Spare me, he voted against the Stimulus and Obamacare.
Fiscal Conservative? Castle voted to create the Bush deficits.
Castle voted for the Bush tax cuts, for every Bush budget, and for the war in Iraq. That’s where most of today’s deficit is.
No. Wrong again. Most of today’s deficit is from our exploding entitlement programs. The rest is from the stimulus and TARP.
One brilliant conservative pointed out that the 2007 deficit had fallen to $147 billion and Republicans should just dust that budget off as a campaign plank and start from there.
And if it were 2007, Alpha would be right. Take out the war supplementals from that year, and the budget would be balanced. But even though 2011 revenues are projected to be identical to 2007′s within a billion dollars according to U.S. Gov’t Revenue Dot Com, simply rolling back discretionary spending is not the answer.
According to the web site U.S. Government Spending Dot Com, spending on Social Security and Medicare has increased by $600 billion since 2007. Any politician who proposes cutting that spending is committing political suicide. Add in the stimulus, a 17% increase in non-security related domestic discretionary spending in the 2009 Omnibus (Castle voted for that, so one point for Alpha) and the portions of TARP that have not been recovered and that’s how you get the deficits Obama has created…not the wars. And not Bush.
Two final tidbits…
It should be noted that no deficit accrued under Bush exceeded 3% of GDP if measured in the value of that year’s dollars (you can make it look worse if you change the unit of measure to FY 2010 dollars, but that would be dishonest). The largest deficit under Bush was 2008′s 2.87% of GDP, again according to U.S. Government Spending Dot Com.
And finally….Obama has accumulated more deficit in 18 months as president than Bush and Clinton did in eight years.
As for Alpha’s cute little graphic…
While it is provided the non partisan Congressional Budget Office, remember that the CBO is no different than a computer. It is incapable of reasoning or independent thought. It cannot apply independent judgement or common sense. It simply takes the numbers supplied to it and calculates an end result, usually the one desired by the entity inputting the data.
Right now, that’s the House and Senate majority. So little wonder exploding deficits appear to be Bush’s fault. That’s just as was intended.
Here’s a simple example of this…
Remember it was the CBO that told us that health care would be deficit neutral. That’s because Harry and Nancy never bothered to input the cost of the “doc fix.”
More liberal tricks….
[...] and commenter orestes pointed me over to this post on Delaware Politics about Christine O’Donnell. O’Donnell has been stretching the truth [...]
The largest deficit under Bush was 2008′s 2.87% of GDP
When you push the economy off a cliff, it falls slowly at first – that’s when Bush made his getaway.
Remember, one third of the stimulus was tax cuts ($288 billion). That is bigger than the Reagan tax cuts and bigger than the Bush tax cuts in real dollars. (I have to say, Obama’s political operation is stupid for not trumpeting this fact). But yet you still want to count all of the stimulus as “spending.”
So if you want to include ARRA tax cuts as “spending” that contributes to the deficit – then you also have to count the Bush tax cuts as contributing to the deficit. Which is the point of the graphic.
And the 2009-2010 CBO numbers are based on real data that already happened – not on projections.
We are all tired of Republicans cherry picking CBO numbers when it suits them.
For someone who complains about cherry picking, you’ve got yourself enough for a really nice pie.
Are you really going to try and contend first of all that taxes were cut by ARRA? Millions of Americans got an evil surprise last spring when they did their taxes and discovered that Obama’s change in withholding tables made it appear they were getting a tax cut, when in fact ARRA cuts no federal tax rates. When I filed my tax return, I found my refund was half what it was in normal years because those “tax cuts” were actually based on politically bigoted tax credits Obama and Pelosi directed at favored constituencies.
For the record, no federal tax rates were cut by ARRA. None. Zippo. Nada. Zilch. That is one of the biggest lies told by Obama on the campaign trail.
Referring now to the graphic posted by Alpha in post 47. This. like most data created by CBO, is created by politicians who wish to produce an end result, then feed CBO data needed to create the predetermined conclusion. Remember CBO is little more than a human computer. It can output based on what is input. And we all know the first rule of computing is GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). This graphic is garbage at first glance.
At the bottom is the so-called “deficit without these factors” which miraculously clings to the bottom of the graph if you eliminate all the evil Bush has done. But the only way deficits could stay this low is if federal revenue increases at the same rate as Social Security and Medicare outlays are, and assumption that is outright absurd on its face. We’ve already established, and Alpha has not challenged, that entitlement outlays have increased by $600 billion in just four years while federal revenues remain flat. So I like to call that bottom line the “fantasy deficit.”
Notice that tan colored range depicting the Bush tax cuts? They show that by 2019, the Bush tax cuts will cause the deficit to increase by $800 billion! But this runs afoul of reality in two important ways. First, all the Bush tax cuts expire after this year. So whoever commissioned this graphic is making the input (GIGO!) that the tax cuts will be extended in full. Secondly, the enabliing legislation only authorizes reductions in rates corresponding to $1.3 trillion over ten years. Yet the graphic shows an $800 billion cost in 2019 alone (GIGO!).
Now have the Bush tax cuts contributed to the deficit? Well the answer to that realistically is “maybe.” But if so, how does one explain deficits falling from 2003-2007 by two thirds with the tax cuts fully implemented and the Iraq and Afghan wars at the peak of their funding? The answer is economic growth rates were much higher during the years Republicans controlled the Congress and the White House. Cutting taxes spurs growth and you don’t need a huge increase in growth to offset minimal rate cuts such as those passed by Bush (totalling 3.2% of projected revenues over ten years). Bush’s tax cuts were intended to spur growth. The ARRA tax credits are largely intended to be redistributionary, and as the results show have done nothing to spur growth.
Alpha, I won’t argue with you that Republicans have cherry pied CBO estimates in the past. That would be foolish. But you guys do it too. And bake a mighty fine pie while you’re at it.
ARRA cuts no federal tax rates. When I filed my tax return, I found my refund was half what it was in normal years because those “tax cuts” were actually based on politically bigoted tax credits Obama and Pelosi directed at favored constituencies.
So if you make too much money to get tax cuts, then the tax cuts don’t exist? LOL!!
Your refund was less because withholding was relaxed as a recession-fighting measure. Puts more money in your pocket and doesn’t affect your taxes paid.
whoever commissioned this graphic is making the input (GIGO!) that the tax cuts will be extended in full.
Exactly the point – Wouldn’t that graphic look much better without them?
Secondly, the enabliing legislation only authorizes reductions in rates corresponding to $1.3 trillion over ten years.
I have no idea what you are talking about here. If you don’t have a link then you don’t know either.
Perhaps you are talking about the sunset provisions, which are based on the Byrd rule, which was invoked because CBO predicted the Bush tax cuts would create deficits? (CBO was correct, but underestimated the deficits by a mile).
“So if you make too much money to get tax cuts, then the tax cuts don’t exist? LOL!!”
You have to pay taxes to get tax cuts. If the “tax cuts” involve giving money to people who made no money, it’s called redistribution of wealth. Defend it if you choose, but call it what it is. “Refundable tax credits” are redistribution welfare, just like farm subsidies are agricultural welfare and corporate tax loopholes are corporate welfare.
I know that Christine O’Donnell didn’t win 2 counties but if i recall looking at the numbers by representative district, O’Donnell won in 2 representative districts, the 38th & 40th. Districts, counties, yeah I guess if Joe Biden said it nobody would care. The message is that O’Donnell must be defeated in September so there will be no Bidenesque mistakes made in the campaign for Biden’s former place in the Senate.
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If the “tax cuts” involve giving money to people who made no money, it’s called redistribution of wealth.
Leaving aside for the moment that Reagan, Bush, and Obama ALL expanded refundable credits, which you are not accounting for…
If we taxed accumulated wealth, I would agree with you. But we don’t tax wealth in America – we tax income (with the exception of the estate tax).
And when “We The People” tax income, We are stating that this portion is not your wealth – it was never yours to keep. It belongs to We The People, and will be spent according to the political process.
So if it was never yours, it is not “RE-distributed.”
Income taxes, especially graduated income taxes, are a recognition that your income is not entirely a result of your genius and hard work, but that there are other dues to pay to other people who contributed to that income.
This is how Americans manage their political economy. If you don’t like it, then you are at odds with the Constitution, and you can feel free to argue for crony capitalism or whatever else you prefer.
Well, we just have a fundamental difference in philosophy on this one, so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
You say my income belongs to We The People and its not mine to keep?
I say it is. I earned it through my hard work. If its not mine to keep, why should I work for it?
This is why income taxes inevitably fail. They destroy the will to work.
For the record, I do not support the expansion of tax credits. If you’re going to cut the taxes, cut the taxes. Don’t play games with credits that some people will qualify for and others will not. No one in our government is smart enough to be deciding who should be winners and who should be losers in that way.
http://delawarerepublicanrecord.wordpress.com
More Christine lies.
I say it is. I earned it through my hard work. If its not mine to keep, why should I work for it?
Your mistake is assuming that all the money that touches your hands is “yours.”
You do get to keep what you earned. But not all the money that passes through your hands is yours. Some of it only came to you because of the efforts of others. That portion was never yours to keep. The percentage that belongs to others is a political decision.
Sorry, didn’t get the entire URL:
http://delawarerepublicanrecord.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/christine-odonnell-the-word-was-corroborate-not-counter/
“Your mistake is assuming that all the money that touches your hands is “yours.” ”
And thus the diffeerence between a liberal and conservative. alpha doesn’t believe that your money is your money.
Okay Cookie….
….I took a close look at those docs in the link you provided.
For the moment, let us put aside the mortgage lien. The woman sold the house to her boyfriend and all was settled on that matter.
I suspect she couldn’t pay the mortgage and had a boyfriend buy the house and she still lives in it. Heh. Women been doing this since time immemorial.
If this tax incident is reason to not vote for the woman, as you assert….well I don’t think so. I’ve been there….done that….and this is peanuts, diddly squat. I’ll allow as it’s a good argument that the woman should not be senator as she let her finances go awry so your argument’s been made, along with some whoops and hollers from other monkies in the trees. In the light of Charlie Rangel and dear Lord Joe Biden….this is a nothing burger as I see it. If you think it’s a big ass damn deal….well I disagree.
As to the income tax return….it’s a bit confusing to me. I did see the letter from the IRS guy who audited her 2005 and in the very first paragraph the guy, very first thing, states, and I paraphrase…”Thank you Mrs. O’Donnell for meeting with me. After our conversation I do agree that you deserve relief on the assessment”…and then he mentions two items she evidently itemized on 2005 tax return…one was auto use…the other…well I forget. But he did acknowledge that those two items as she’d evidently claimed on her income tax, were fine and the IRS was…well wrong except I’m thinking maybe O’Donnell didn’t provide paperwork real quick or anything.
He then mentioned that there were two items outstanding…one was entertainment. She evidently claimed something like five grand entertainment costs….hey….not that anyone’s ever claimed waaaay more on this item than entitled and not that five freaking grand….five grand she DEDUCTED….not taxes she owes do not mislead here…is going to break the U.S. treasury. She probably didn’t have the receipts and I’ll go one further, she probably didn’t have a clue what she could claim and couldn’t. I’m betting Mrs. O’Donnell is not such a good keepeer of the books whereas the fine, fine Mike Castle keeps all of his own books meticulously and God knows Joe Biden spends hours everyday on them. Entertainment expenses are very specific and I’ll go one step further, I’m thinking maybe Christine doesn’t keep her receipts and such like she should. I’m also pretty sure O’Donnell can’t afford a personal accountant but that’s just a hunch. I also think Castle and Biden probably CAN.
Not only, for the above, should the woman get thrown out of the race…I say hang her from the cross in the middle of Route 1 dear Lord for losing her paperwork.
I hardly think she was trying to cheat anybody….seriously. The amount of monies contested in the deductions was so small as to be laughable. Cheaters go for great big amounts of money….hundreds of thousands…not five freaking boohoo bucks. Sheesh. Again, this was what the IRS claims was an illegal deduction, not actual TAXES. Figuring her to be in the 20% tax bracket, tops….we’re talking, read ‘em and weep…maybe one thousand bucks.
Come on guys…..I am reminded of monkeys hooting and hollering.
Christine did meet with the IRS guy and satisfied him fine on two of the deductions. The other two he wanted more documentation and the wording on the letter indicated that they agreed she would get back to him. I guess this is the letter of “apology” Christine claims she got from the IRS. Well it’s a stretch one could argue but it’s small freaking potatoboogers. The IRS did admit, read it with my lying eyes, that she “deserved relief”.
This all happened in 2005 when I think O’Donnell was running for something. She got money…maybe donations, I dunno. She didn’t run away from the assessment, or the foreclosure on her house but it’s like nothing….seriously….big bad Mike Castle and you bunch of screaming monkeys going on like banshees over this?
Christine O’Donnell probably shouldn’t run for county auditor. If you bunch of screaming banshees were using this rather pitiful story of a kind of sad woman who somehow got herself into a bookkeeping quagmire…an evidently not rich woman….it only makes me feel for her even more.
I don’t see any indication that she tried to cheat anyone. I see some piss poor bookkeeping but I’ll go out on a limb here and allow that this is probably not her strong suit. The tax problem is only for one year and it does say latest date to refile is 2016….I mean….doesn’t that mean she has that much time to refile her return? Shouldn’t she at least be given that time before you pack of hyenas jump up and down with your joy?
Once I worked a year as an Independent Contractor and I didn’t claim my 1099 money. I really tried to get away with not paying taxes. I’m just a little guy but I thought I was Timothy Gerthner for a minute there. I got caught and in my case, I really was trying to cheat the system. I’m not convinced O’Donnell was trying to do that at all.
We’ve all, save you Ruling Class band of monkeys, had those times when we messed up or tried to cheat like the Ruling Class.
Christine O’Donnell had her boyfriend bail her out of the house thing….and God knows this has never happened before. I once married a guy just so he would fix up my deteriorating house. She messed up her 2005 tax return so big freaking deal and it was for such a pitiful amount of money I think she’s got a long way to go before she catches up to Charlie Rangel.
Finally, where the hell were these documents obtained? Silly me, I thought such things were personal and private?
Not that I’d accuse anyone of anything untoward….but screaming like banshees over documents that it seems to me are personal….well it seems a bit unkind to say the least.
It’s amazing how excited you all get about someone making a mistake in a speech, in which she had no notes. So maybe she mis-spoke, okay, so what are the ramifications of this mistake? Will it drive up the deficit? Will it cause every American to pay more for their energy? Will it increase the number of abortions in the nation? No! But some of Mr. Castle’s voting record has done these things, but of course the Castle Legion doesn’t care about such things. They only care about the “PARTY!!!!”
And yet the likes of TW and the other Castle Legion have no problem with where he is receiving his campaign contributions from. Way to prioritize guys.
You show your Castle bias everytime you exaggerate this type of thing, while allowing your candidate of choice to accept funding from the very industry he is supposed to be overseeing on the House FSC.
Keep on nit picking, nit-wits.
TW
Your defense of Castle in incredible, despite the extremely liberal voting record he has exhibited the past few years.
All this leads me to believe that O’Donnell must have offended you very personally. I can think of no other reason why someone that is obviously intelligent and claims to be a conservative republican would support Castle over O’Donnell.
You have gone out of your way to dig any dirt, fact or extrapolation of fact that you believe might injure her.
I know you and have spoken to you many times and if this is personal, you just need to get some help before you go off the deep end.
By the way, those who are so concerned over this statement by Ms. O’Donnell and would paint it as a lie instead of a mistake, how do you feel about Mr. Castle’s statement, that after voting for cap and trade, he felt it was a mistake and would not vote for it again. Any rational person who follows politics at all, knows that the vote for cap and trade was near and dear to Mr. Castle’s heart,it’s who he is, and that he will vote for carbon taxing in some form if elected to the Senate. Now this is a lie with serious consequences.
Frank, was it a mistake that she chose to say that she won two counties, or did she really think that she won two counties, or did she just misspeak ? Was telling a lie the mistake, or was the mistake just an example of some sort of confusion ?
Spare me, he voted against the Stimulus and Obamacare. He is a fiscal conservative..
Really? Did he vote against Bush’s drug benefit…you know, the one that breaking Medicare?
He’s a liberal, big-spending bum.
Alpha…all the money that touches my hands IS mine. As well as is all the money on my pay stub that thanks to the wonder of withholding, never touches my hands.
I earned it. No one else. No money which “passes through my hands” is ever as a result of the labors of anyone but myself. While it is true that my position would not exist if not for the brilliance of a very wealthy man, he enjoys the fruits of his own labor.
Without my labor, the founder of my company would have nothing. My paycheck is thus the compensation for my unique and irreplacable contributions my industries foremost service provider.
It’s all mine.
To quote Bill O’Reilly, it is wrong to use someone else’s bad behavior as a justification for your own. What Castle did and said about Cap & Trade, he did and said.
It is no excuse for Christine O’Donnell. And if somehow it is a mistake, it’s a doozy that stretches credibility to beyond any reasonable limit.
I just moved to Delaware and have been trying to become informed about this primary. The facts as I see them are we have a historically horrific government that needs to take a serious beating in November. I am only aware of 4 major votes Castle has made and 2 of them were in support of horrendous legislation (Cap & Tax, Credit Card Act).
However, O’Donnell seems like far from a perfect candidate and I am not sure she is electable. Also, by far the worst outcome is the Dems holding this seat. As bad as Olympia Snowe is, she’s still better than virtually all of the Democrats.
So I have a couple of questions:
1 – Does anyone have any evidence or solid arguments that O’Donnell can win in November.
2 – If you support Castle, why do you think he is different from Specter or Crist or Snowe.
Thanks for any information.
“Really? Did he vote against Bush’s drug benefit…you know, the one that breaking Medicare?”
Let me get this straight. Castle votes with the Democrats, he is a liberal. He votes with a republican President, he is a liberal. I guess he should just null every vote he can.
You guys need to face facts, you have formed an opinion and spend every waking minute scrambling to find ways to fit facts into it. Enough is enough, the lies and accusations are embarrassing.
You guys need to face facts, you have formed an opinion and spend every waking minute scrambling to find ways to fit facts into it.
Welcome to wingnut logic. You just noticed?
It is actually not a bad plan. Republicans have won Congress and the White House several times with that exact strategy.
For BH…
Specter vs. Castle…some simple comparisons.
The American Conservative Union ranks all member of Congress on 25 critical issues each year. In 2009 the scores were…
Castle 56%
Specter 20%
ACU also keeps lifetime ratings….
Castle 52.49%
Specter 43.63%
Castle voted to impeach Bill Clinton twice. He also voted agains two other articles (the two that failed).
Specter made a fool of himself with his infamous votes of “not proven.”
Arlen Specter was a Democrat until he was 36 years old, then switched parties to take advantage of the vacant Republican ballot line in the race for Philly DA, in effect taking a free pass to the general election in 1966. He became a Republican because it was the path of least resistance to high public office.
Mike Castle has been a Republican all his life.
You also mentioned Olympia Snowe. For comparison, her 2009 ACU score was 48% and her lifetime score is 47.88%. Both worse than Castle by a statistically meaningful margin.
Then there’s the things that don’t show up in raw data. Mike Castle will stomp through neighborhoods and knock on doors with almost anyone who asks him. He has given generous sums of money to the Republican State Committee in its most dire hours. I have always found him easy to access and willing to answer questions. On this last point, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am a New Castle County guy and many of my lower Delaware counterparts (Frank?) will vehemently disagree with that.
Arlen Specter was and remains infamously aloof and almost insufferable in his belief in his own superiority.
Some facts, mixed with an opinion or two…
Hope it helps.
The author of this story told a “WHOPPER”
when reporting that the “tri-party tea party” endorsed Christine O’Donnell.
The name of the organization that recently
endorsed her canididacy is the Independence Hall Tea Party PAC.
The Independence Hall Tea Party PAC is a tri-state regional group.
We endorsed O’Donnell because she is a far better candidate than Mike Castle. She is not ducking the issues or the voters.
Go Christine!
DonAdams
Thanks for weighing in. There are many of us that agree with you. Good luck with your organization.
I feel that everyone has baggage of some sort. Even with her baggage, Christine is the much better candidate. I least I know we will be getting conservative
You also mentioned Olympia Snowe. For comparison, her 2009 ACU score was 48% and her lifetime score is 47.88%. Both worse than Castle (52.49%) by a statistically meaningful margin.
Great. Castle will be a little bit better than Olympia Snowe.
Hmmmm….. Don’t know of any official response from the O’Donnell campaign… and I doubt that they have time to look at every blog.
But here are some numbers for the number centered people.
Steve Maloney says: In 2008, against Joe Biden, who spent $5 million, Christine got 140,509 votes, 35,000 more than anyone had polled against Biden. Can she get 20,000 to win the GOP Primary? I believe she will get as many as 24,000.
Christine got destroyed against Biden, the reason the vote total was so high was because it had the highest voter turnout of any election ever.
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