Comment Rescue: O’Donnell Whopper in her Own Words

The Tri Party Tea Party has endorsed Christine O’Donnell. This is in a prior post.  In the comment section of the post, there is a You Tube link to a May 2nd speech by O’Donnell    In this speech, Christine O’Donnell tells the outrageous Whopper that she won 2 of 3 Counties in Delaware in the 2008 General Elcection against Joe Biden.  Now whether one considers this an outright lie or a demonstration of pure stupidity, only the reader can decide, but here are O’Donnell’s exact words on this You Tube Video.  This can be found between 1:35 and 1:45 into this video.   Christine O’Donnell:  “I was the 2008 endorsed Republican Candidate in 2008 and I won 2  counties.” (Delaware only has 3. Christine also holds up 2 fingers to emphasize the point.) Now for the uninformed Christine O’Donnell won Zero, Zip, Nada Delaware Counties in 2008.  Here are the numbers:                                      NCC                            Kent                 Sussex  Biden                           177,070                      37,094             43,495  O’Donnell                     69,491                         27,981             43,123

I will leave it up to others why someone who is so challenged in Math skills should have a vote on the Federal Budget.   Christine makes some other questionable statements on this video but let’s just focus on this blatant Whopper. 

One has to wonder, Did the blatant distortions by O’Donnell impact this endorsement by the Tri Party Tea Partiers?   

 Certainly putting forth the falsehood that O’Donnell won 2 Counties in 2008 makes her appear electable.   

Here is the You Tube Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02eMdmJtA4E

 

79 thoughts on “Comment Rescue: O’Donnell Whopper in her Own Words”

  1. The largest deficit under Bush was 2008′s 2.87% of GDP

    When you push the economy off a cliff, it falls slowly at first – that’s when Bush made his getaway.

    Remember, one third of the stimulus was tax cuts ($288 billion). That is bigger than the Reagan tax cuts and bigger than the Bush tax cuts in real dollars. (I have to say, Obama’s political operation is stupid for not trumpeting this fact). But yet you still want to count all of the stimulus as “spending.”

    So if you want to include ARRA tax cuts as “spending” that contributes to the deficit – then you also have to count the Bush tax cuts as contributing to the deficit. Which is the point of the graphic.

    And the 2009-2010 CBO numbers are based on real data that already happened – not on projections.

    We are all tired of Republicans cherry picking CBO numbers when it suits them.

  2. For someone who complains about cherry picking, you’ve got yourself enough for a really nice pie.

    Are you really going to try and contend first of all that taxes were cut by ARRA? Millions of Americans got an evil surprise last spring when they did their taxes and discovered that Obama’s change in withholding tables made it appear they were getting a tax cut, when in fact ARRA cuts no federal tax rates. When I filed my tax return, I found my refund was half what it was in normal years because those “tax cuts” were actually based on politically bigoted tax credits Obama and Pelosi directed at favored constituencies.

    For the record, no federal tax rates were cut by ARRA. None. Zippo. Nada. Zilch. That is one of the biggest lies told by Obama on the campaign trail.

    Referring now to the graphic posted by Alpha in post 47. This. like most data created by CBO, is created by politicians who wish to produce an end result, then feed CBO data needed to create the predetermined conclusion. Remember CBO is little more than a human computer. It can output based on what is input. And we all know the first rule of computing is GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). This graphic is garbage at first glance.

    At the bottom is the so-called “deficit without these factors” which miraculously clings to the bottom of the graph if you eliminate all the evil Bush has done. But the only way deficits could stay this low is if federal revenue increases at the same rate as Social Security and Medicare outlays are, and assumption that is outright absurd on its face. We’ve already established, and Alpha has not challenged, that entitlement outlays have increased by $600 billion in just four years while federal revenues remain flat. So I like to call that bottom line the “fantasy deficit.”

    Notice that tan colored range depicting the Bush tax cuts? They show that by 2019, the Bush tax cuts will cause the deficit to increase by $800 billion! But this runs afoul of reality in two important ways. First, all the Bush tax cuts expire after this year. So whoever commissioned this graphic is making the input (GIGO!) that the tax cuts will be extended in full. Secondly, the enabliing legislation only authorizes reductions in rates corresponding to $1.3 trillion over ten years. Yet the graphic shows an $800 billion cost in 2019 alone (GIGO!).

    Now have the Bush tax cuts contributed to the deficit? Well the answer to that realistically is “maybe.” But if so, how does one explain deficits falling from 2003-2007 by two thirds with the tax cuts fully implemented and the Iraq and Afghan wars at the peak of their funding? The answer is economic growth rates were much higher during the years Republicans controlled the Congress and the White House. Cutting taxes spurs growth and you don’t need a huge increase in growth to offset minimal rate cuts such as those passed by Bush (totalling 3.2% of projected revenues over ten years). Bush’s tax cuts were intended to spur growth. The ARRA tax credits are largely intended to be redistributionary, and as the results show have done nothing to spur growth.

    Alpha, I won’t argue with you that Republicans have cherry pied CBO estimates in the past. That would be foolish. But you guys do it too. And bake a mighty fine pie while you’re at it.

  3. ARRA cuts no federal tax rates. When I filed my tax return, I found my refund was half what it was in normal years because those “tax cuts” were actually based on politically bigoted tax credits Obama and Pelosi directed at favored constituencies.

    So if you make too much money to get tax cuts, then the tax cuts don’t exist? LOL!!

    Your refund was less because withholding was relaxed as a recession-fighting measure. Puts more money in your pocket and doesn’t affect your taxes paid.

    whoever commissioned this graphic is making the input (GIGO!) that the tax cuts will be extended in full.

    Exactly the point – Wouldn’t that graphic look much better without them?

    Secondly, the enabliing legislation only authorizes reductions in rates corresponding to $1.3 trillion over ten years.

    I have no idea what you are talking about here. If you don’t have a link then you don’t know either.

    Perhaps you are talking about the sunset provisions, which are based on the Byrd rule, which was invoked because CBO predicted the Bush tax cuts would create deficits? (CBO was correct, but underestimated the deficits by a mile).

  4. “So if you make too much money to get tax cuts, then the tax cuts don’t exist? LOL!!”

    You have to pay taxes to get tax cuts. If the “tax cuts” involve giving money to people who made no money, it’s called redistribution of wealth. Defend it if you choose, but call it what it is. “Refundable tax credits” are redistribution welfare, just like farm subsidies are agricultural welfare and corporate tax loopholes are corporate welfare.

  5. I know that Christine O’Donnell didn’t win 2 counties but if i recall looking at the numbers by representative district, O’Donnell won in 2 representative districts, the 38th & 40th. Districts, counties, yeah I guess if Joe Biden said it nobody would care. The message is that O’Donnell must be defeated in September so there will be no Bidenesque mistakes made in the campaign for Biden’s former place in the Senate.

  6. If the “tax cuts” involve giving money to people who made no money, it’s called redistribution of wealth.

    Leaving aside for the moment that Reagan, Bush, and Obama ALL expanded refundable credits, which you are not accounting for…

    If we taxed accumulated wealth, I would agree with you. But we don’t tax wealth in America – we tax income (with the exception of the estate tax).

    And when “We The People” tax income, We are stating that this portion is not your wealth – it was never yours to keep. It belongs to We The People, and will be spent according to the political process.

    So if it was never yours, it is not “RE-distributed.”

    Income taxes, especially graduated income taxes, are a recognition that your income is not entirely a result of your genius and hard work, but that there are other dues to pay to other people who contributed to that income.

    This is how Americans manage their political economy. If you don’t like it, then you are at odds with the Constitution, and you can feel free to argue for crony capitalism or whatever else you prefer.

  7. Well, we just have a fundamental difference in philosophy on this one, so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    You say my income belongs to We The People and its not mine to keep?

    I say it is. I earned it through my hard work. If its not mine to keep, why should I work for it?

    This is why income taxes inevitably fail. They destroy the will to work.

    For the record, I do not support the expansion of tax credits. If you’re going to cut the taxes, cut the taxes. Don’t play games with credits that some people will qualify for and others will not. No one in our government is smart enough to be deciding who should be winners and who should be losers in that way.

  8. I say it is. I earned it through my hard work. If its not mine to keep, why should I work for it?

    Your mistake is assuming that all the money that touches your hands is “yours.”

    You do get to keep what you earned. But not all the money that passes through your hands is yours. Some of it only came to you because of the efforts of others. That portion was never yours to keep. The percentage that belongs to others is a political decision.

  9. “Your mistake is assuming that all the money that touches your hands is “yours.” ”

    And thus the diffeerence between a liberal and conservative. alpha doesn’t believe that your money is your money.

  10. Okay Cookie….

    ….I took a close look at those docs in the link you provided.

    For the moment, let us put aside the mortgage lien. The woman sold the house to her boyfriend and all was settled on that matter.

    I suspect she couldn’t pay the mortgage and had a boyfriend buy the house and she still lives in it. Heh. Women been doing this since time immemorial.

    If this tax incident is reason to not vote for the woman, as you assert….well I don’t think so. I’ve been there….done that….and this is peanuts, diddly squat. I’ll allow as it’s a good argument that the woman should not be senator as she let her finances go awry so your argument’s been made, along with some whoops and hollers from other monkies in the trees. In the light of Charlie Rangel and dear Lord Joe Biden….this is a nothing burger as I see it. If you think it’s a big ass damn deal….well I disagree.

    As to the income tax return….it’s a bit confusing to me. I did see the letter from the IRS guy who audited her 2005 and in the very first paragraph the guy, very first thing, states, and I paraphrase…”Thank you Mrs. O’Donnell for meeting with me. After our conversation I do agree that you deserve relief on the assessment”…and then he mentions two items she evidently itemized on 2005 tax return…one was auto use…the other…well I forget. But he did acknowledge that those two items as she’d evidently claimed on her income tax, were fine and the IRS was…well wrong except I’m thinking maybe O’Donnell didn’t provide paperwork real quick or anything.

    He then mentioned that there were two items outstanding…one was entertainment. She evidently claimed something like five grand entertainment costs….hey….not that anyone’s ever claimed waaaay more on this item than entitled and not that five freaking grand….five grand she DEDUCTED….not taxes she owes do not mislead here…is going to break the U.S. treasury. She probably didn’t have the receipts and I’ll go one further, she probably didn’t have a clue what she could claim and couldn’t. I’m betting Mrs. O’Donnell is not such a good keepeer of the books whereas the fine, fine Mike Castle keeps all of his own books meticulously and God knows Joe Biden spends hours everyday on them. Entertainment expenses are very specific and I’ll go one step further, I’m thinking maybe Christine doesn’t keep her receipts and such like she should. I’m also pretty sure O’Donnell can’t afford a personal accountant but that’s just a hunch. I also think Castle and Biden probably CAN.

    Not only, for the above, should the woman get thrown out of the race…I say hang her from the cross in the middle of Route 1 dear Lord for losing her paperwork.

    I hardly think she was trying to cheat anybody….seriously. The amount of monies contested in the deductions was so small as to be laughable. Cheaters go for great big amounts of money….hundreds of thousands…not five freaking boohoo bucks. Sheesh. Again, this was what the IRS claims was an illegal deduction, not actual TAXES. Figuring her to be in the 20% tax bracket, tops….we’re talking, read ’em and weep…maybe one thousand bucks.

    Come on guys…..I am reminded of monkeys hooting and hollering.

    Christine did meet with the IRS guy and satisfied him fine on two of the deductions. The other two he wanted more documentation and the wording on the letter indicated that they agreed she would get back to him. I guess this is the letter of “apology” Christine claims she got from the IRS. Well it’s a stretch one could argue but it’s small freaking potatoboogers. The IRS did admit, read it with my lying eyes, that she “deserved relief”.

    This all happened in 2005 when I think O’Donnell was running for something. She got money…maybe donations, I dunno. She didn’t run away from the assessment, or the foreclosure on her house but it’s like nothing….seriously….big bad Mike Castle and you bunch of screaming monkeys going on like banshees over this?

    Christine O’Donnell probably shouldn’t run for county auditor. If you bunch of screaming banshees were using this rather pitiful story of a kind of sad woman who somehow got herself into a bookkeeping quagmire…an evidently not rich woman….it only makes me feel for her even more.

    I don’t see any indication that she tried to cheat anyone. I see some piss poor bookkeeping but I’ll go out on a limb here and allow that this is probably not her strong suit. The tax problem is only for one year and it does say latest date to refile is 2016….I mean….doesn’t that mean she has that much time to refile her return? Shouldn’t she at least be given that time before you pack of hyenas jump up and down with your joy?

    Once I worked a year as an Independent Contractor and I didn’t claim my 1099 money. I really tried to get away with not paying taxes. I’m just a little guy but I thought I was Timothy Gerthner for a minute there. I got caught and in my case, I really was trying to cheat the system. I’m not convinced O’Donnell was trying to do that at all.

    We’ve all, save you Ruling Class band of monkeys, had those times when we messed up or tried to cheat like the Ruling Class.

    Christine O’Donnell had her boyfriend bail her out of the house thing….and God knows this has never happened before. I once married a guy just so he would fix up my deteriorating house. She messed up her 2005 tax return so big freaking deal and it was for such a pitiful amount of money I think she’s got a long way to go before she catches up to Charlie Rangel.

    Finally, where the hell were these documents obtained? Silly me, I thought such things were personal and private?

    Not that I’d accuse anyone of anything untoward….but screaming like banshees over documents that it seems to me are personal….well it seems a bit unkind to say the least.

  11. It’s amazing how excited you all get about someone making a mistake in a speech, in which she had no notes. So maybe she mis-spoke, okay, so what are the ramifications of this mistake? Will it drive up the deficit? Will it cause every American to pay more for their energy? Will it increase the number of abortions in the nation? No! But some of Mr. Castle’s voting record has done these things, but of course the Castle Legion doesn’t care about such things. They only care about the “PARTY!!!!”
    And yet the likes of TW and the other Castle Legion have no problem with where he is receiving his campaign contributions from. Way to prioritize guys.
    You show your Castle bias everytime you exaggerate this type of thing, while allowing your candidate of choice to accept funding from the very industry he is supposed to be overseeing on the House FSC.
    Keep on nit picking, nit-wits.

  12. TW
    Your defense of Castle in incredible, despite the extremely liberal voting record he has exhibited the past few years.
    All this leads me to believe that O’Donnell must have offended you very personally. I can think of no other reason why someone that is obviously intelligent and claims to be a conservative republican would support Castle over O’Donnell.
    You have gone out of your way to dig any dirt, fact or extrapolation of fact that you believe might injure her.
    I know you and have spoken to you many times and if this is personal, you just need to get some help before you go off the deep end.

  13. Frank, was it a mistake that she chose to say that she won two counties, or did she really think that she won two counties, or did she just misspeak ? Was telling a lie the mistake, or was the mistake just an example of some sort of confusion ?

  14. Spare me, he voted against the Stimulus and Obamacare. He is a fiscal conservative..

    Really? Did he vote against Bush’s drug benefit…you know, the one that breaking Medicare?

    He’s a liberal, big-spending bum.

  15. Alpha…all the money that touches my hands IS mine. As well as is all the money on my pay stub that thanks to the wonder of withholding, never touches my hands.

    I earned it. No one else. No money which “passes through my hands” is ever as a result of the labors of anyone but myself. While it is true that my position would not exist if not for the brilliance of a very wealthy man, he enjoys the fruits of his own labor.

    Without my labor, the founder of my company would have nothing. My paycheck is thus the compensation for my unique and irreplacable contributions my industries foremost service provider.

    It’s all mine.

  16. To quote Bill O’Reilly, it is wrong to use someone else’s bad behavior as a justification for your own. What Castle did and said about Cap & Trade, he did and said.

    It is no excuse for Christine O’Donnell. And if somehow it is a mistake, it’s a doozy that stretches credibility to beyond any reasonable limit.

  17. I just moved to Delaware and have been trying to become informed about this primary. The facts as I see them are we have a historically horrific government that needs to take a serious beating in November. I am only aware of 4 major votes Castle has made and 2 of them were in support of horrendous legislation (Cap & Tax, Credit Card Act).

    However, O’Donnell seems like far from a perfect candidate and I am not sure she is electable. Also, by far the worst outcome is the Dems holding this seat. As bad as Olympia Snowe is, she’s still better than virtually all of the Democrats.

    So I have a couple of questions:

    1 – Does anyone have any evidence or solid arguments that O’Donnell can win in November.

    2 – If you support Castle, why do you think he is different from Specter or Crist or Snowe.

    Thanks for any information.

  18. “Really? Did he vote against Bush’s drug benefit…you know, the one that breaking Medicare?”

    Let me get this straight. Castle votes with the Democrats, he is a liberal. He votes with a republican President, he is a liberal. I guess he should just null every vote he can.

    You guys need to face facts, you have formed an opinion and spend every waking minute scrambling to find ways to fit facts into it. Enough is enough, the lies and accusations are embarrassing.

  19. You guys need to face facts, you have formed an opinion and spend every waking minute scrambling to find ways to fit facts into it.

    Welcome to wingnut logic. You just noticed?

    It is actually not a bad plan. Republicans have won Congress and the White House several times with that exact strategy.

  20. For BH…

    Specter vs. Castle…some simple comparisons.

    The American Conservative Union ranks all member of Congress on 25 critical issues each year. In 2009 the scores were…

    Castle 56%
    Specter 20%

    ACU also keeps lifetime ratings….

    Castle 52.49%
    Specter 43.63%

    Castle voted to impeach Bill Clinton twice. He also voted agains two other articles (the two that failed).

    Specter made a fool of himself with his infamous votes of “not proven.”

    Arlen Specter was a Democrat until he was 36 years old, then switched parties to take advantage of the vacant Republican ballot line in the race for Philly DA, in effect taking a free pass to the general election in 1966. He became a Republican because it was the path of least resistance to high public office.

    Mike Castle has been a Republican all his life.

    You also mentioned Olympia Snowe. For comparison, her 2009 ACU score was 48% and her lifetime score is 47.88%. Both worse than Castle by a statistically meaningful margin.

    Then there’s the things that don’t show up in raw data. Mike Castle will stomp through neighborhoods and knock on doors with almost anyone who asks him. He has given generous sums of money to the Republican State Committee in its most dire hours. I have always found him easy to access and willing to answer questions. On this last point, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am a New Castle County guy and many of my lower Delaware counterparts (Frank?) will vehemently disagree with that.

    Arlen Specter was and remains infamously aloof and almost insufferable in his belief in his own superiority.

    Some facts, mixed with an opinion or two…

    Hope it helps.

  21. The author of this story told a “WHOPPER”
    when reporting that the “tri-party tea party” endorsed Christine O’Donnell.

    The name of the organization that recently
    endorsed her canididacy is the Independence Hall Tea Party PAC.

    The Independence Hall Tea Party PAC is a tri-state regional group.

    We endorsed O’Donnell because she is a far better candidate than Mike Castle. She is not ducking the issues or the voters.

    Go Christine!

  22. DonAdams

    Thanks for weighing in. There are many of us that agree with you. Good luck with your organization.
    I feel that everyone has baggage of some sort. Even with her baggage, Christine is the much better candidate. I least I know we will be getting conservative

  23. You also mentioned Olympia Snowe. For comparison, her 2009 ACU score was 48% and her lifetime score is 47.88%. Both worse than Castle (52.49%) by a statistically meaningful margin.

    Great. Castle will be a little bit better than Olympia Snowe.

  24. Hmmmm….. Don’t know of any official response from the O’Donnell campaign… and I doubt that they have time to look at every blog.

    But here are some numbers for the number centered people.

    Steve Maloney says: In 2008, against Joe Biden, who spent $5 million, Christine got 140,509 votes, 35,000 more than anyone had polled against Biden. Can she get 20,000 to win the GOP Primary? I believe she will get as many as 24,000.

  25. Christine got destroyed against Biden, the reason the vote total was so high was because it had the highest voter turnout of any election ever.

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