Comments on: CARPER Won’t Read Text of Health Bill http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/ Where public policy meets common sense Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:30:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Tennessee Walker http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19900 Tennessee Walker Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:23:09 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19900 The response by Delaware Liberal is the type of lame excuse making one finds from a high school sophomore who gets caught doing something wrong. Instead of defending their own actions, the typical 10th grade recalcitrant tries to defelect attention and consequences by pointing to another student and saying "Oh Yeah but the other guy over there is doing something worse, you need to punish him" One can find this type of immature and inane reason among many adults. Such as: 1. The alcoholic who claims he as no problem because "He knows someone who drinks more than himself." 2. The adulterer who claims they are not doing anything wrong because "everyone does it." 3. and my favorite, The speeder who says to the Police officer,"Why aren't you catching murderers and rapists instead of picking on people like me?" The fact that Delliberal uses the same arguments as any other irresponsible, immature individual from the age of the average 7th grader on up to the oldest alcoholic says more about their lack of intellectual honesty then anything I can add. A more honest approach would have been to condemn Carper for his approach and then a documentation Of an exactly comparable situation of others. All such instances should be exposed. Personally, I don't see how the Health Care Bill reflects a response to an immediate emergency situation especially since the date of implementation is 4 years from now but hey they could make the effort instead of trying to defend Sen. Carper's approach of not reading the bill and calling Legislative language gibberish. The response by Delaware Liberal is the type of lame excuse making one finds from a high school sophomore who gets caught doing something wrong. Instead of defending their own actions, the typical 10th grade recalcitrant tries to defelect attention and consequences by pointing to another student and saying “Oh Yeah but the other guy over there is doing something worse, you need to punish him”

One can find this type of immature and inane reason among many adults. Such as:

1. The alcoholic who claims he as no problem because “He knows someone who drinks more than himself.”
2. The adulterer who claims they are not doing anything wrong because “everyone does it.”
3. and my favorite, The speeder who says to the Police officer,”Why aren’t you catching murderers and rapists instead of picking on people like me?”

The fact that Delliberal uses the same arguments as any other irresponsible, immature individual from the age of the average 7th grader on up to the oldest alcoholic says more about their lack of intellectual honesty then anything I can add.
A more honest approach would have been to condemn Carper for his approach and then a documentation Of an exactly comparable situation of others. All such instances should be exposed. Personally, I don’t see how the Health Care Bill reflects a response to an immediate emergency situation especially since the date of implementation is 4 years from now but hey they could make the effort instead of trying to defend Sen. Carper’s approach of not reading the bill and calling Legislative language gibberish.

]]> By: David Anderson http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19888 David Anderson Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:02:53 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19888 Delaware liberal neglects to point out that the Democrats controled the U. S. Senate when the Patriot Act passed and ignored the few people who wanted to look at it from both parties, but many people did read it on our side. Some like Bob Barr and Ron Paul actually forced amendments like sunsetting it. The extention was under a Democrat controled Congress. Maybe they have forgetten 5 years of criticism from the right of the Patriot act from various contributors, Dave, Smitty, Maria, and myself. Maria and I have been particularily strong in our criticisms and called for outright repeal of many provisions. With the Patriot Act, we were under enormous stress. Thousands were killed and we were under daily threat from terrorists. We had laws that had to be changed. With the law being sunsetted and a commission being added to monitor abuses, I could tolerate it being passed as emergency legislation. This is not and is a lot more complicated. The Patriot Act mostly tinkered with details of how federal law enforcement operated. Objectively, the bill saved lives though it could have done as well and not been as expansive. The Health Reform Bill would radically revamp a huge portion of the economy employing one in six Americans and a service that almost everyone depends upon. Yes, I have a problem with Senator Carper and company not reading the Patriot Act which has never affected me or most Americans for that matter, but I have a lot more of a problem with them not reading a bill that is life and death for all Americans and many visitors or immigrants. If you think (rightly so) not reading the Patriot Act gave us terrible cavets, what do you think a special interest laden government power grab is going to be like if they can count on it not being read? Do you really trust that crowd with the life of you and your family site unseen? Delaware liberal neglects to point out that the Democrats controled the U. S. Senate when the Patriot Act passed and ignored the few people who wanted to look at it from both parties, but many people did read it on our side. Some like Bob Barr and Ron Paul actually forced amendments like sunsetting it. The extention was under a Democrat controled Congress. Maybe they have forgetten 5 years of criticism from the right of the Patriot act from various contributors, Dave, Smitty, Maria, and myself. Maria and I have been particularily strong in our criticisms and called for outright repeal of many provisions.

With the Patriot Act, we were under enormous stress. Thousands were killed and we were under daily threat from terrorists. We had laws that had to be changed. With the law being sunsetted and a commission being added to monitor abuses, I could tolerate it being passed as emergency legislation. This is not and is a lot more complicated. The Patriot Act mostly tinkered with details of how federal law enforcement operated. Objectively, the bill saved lives though it could have done as well and not been as expansive.

The Health Reform Bill would radically revamp a huge portion of the economy employing one in six Americans and a service that almost everyone depends upon. Yes, I have a problem with Senator Carper and company not reading the Patriot Act which has never affected me or most Americans for that matter, but I have a lot more of a problem with them not reading a bill that is life and death for all Americans and many visitors or immigrants. If you think (rightly so) not reading the Patriot Act gave us terrible cavets, what do you think a special interest laden government power grab is going to be like if they can count on it not being read? Do you really trust that crowd with the life of you and your family site unseen?

]]> By: David Anderson http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19887 David Anderson Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:48:31 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19887 I don't blame Senator Carper. It is not like we pay him around 170K or something to do the job. It is a charity job. Oh, wait we do pay him around 175K and this isn't school board or city council where people actually read the stuff and not get paid for it. Maybe I was confused. What do we pay him to do? Cater to the special interests and liberal leadership? I don’t blame Senator Carper. It is not like we pay him around 170K or something to do the job. It is a charity job. Oh, wait we do pay him around 175K and this isn’t school board or city council where people actually read the stuff and not get paid for it. Maybe I was confused. What do we pay him to do? Cater to the special interests and liberal leadership?

]]> By: Around the Horn Sunday : Delaware Liberal http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19875 Around the Horn Sunday : Delaware Liberal Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:26:43 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19875 [...] Politics Tennessee Walker says that Carper won’t read the health care bill. I would ask Tennessee Walker why she was not up in arms over Republicans not reading the Patriot [...] [...] Politics Tennessee Walker says that Carper won’t read the health care bill. I would ask Tennessee Walker why she was not up in arms over Republicans not reading the Patriot [...]

]]> By: Art Downs http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19866 Art Downs Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:37:55 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19866 Why should Carper read the bill when he is not the one who has to pay for it? Why burden our aristocrats with anything that smacks of work? Why should Carper read the bill when he is not the one who has to pay for it?

Why burden our aristocrats with anything that smacks of work?

]]> By: Timothy Pancoast http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19861 Timothy Pancoast Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:29:26 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19861 Good point, while I don't think Senator Carper does himself any favors with his statements about not reading the bill, he does do the American public a big favor by pointing out how screwed up our legislation has become. Unfortunatly our legislators, like Senator Carper, all to often decide that since the legislation is to complex and crazy to read and understand they should simply not read it. That solution is crap. The real solution is to fix and simplify our legislation and the legislative process, but I guess that is a lot harder than simply passing legislation that you haven't read so very few politicians are going to choose the real solution. Good point, while I don’t think Senator Carper does himself any favors with his statements about not reading the bill, he does do the American public a big favor by pointing out how screwed up our legislation has become. Unfortunatly our legislators, like Senator Carper, all to often decide that since the legislation is to complex and crazy to read and understand they should simply not read it. That solution is crap. The real solution is to fix and simplify our legislation and the legislative process, but I guess that is a lot harder than simply passing legislation that you haven’t read so very few politicians are going to choose the real solution.

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]]> By: Rick http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19850 Rick Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:27:44 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19850 None of them understand the bill...that's the problem. Of course, those in Washington know that a large segment of the population willingly acquiesces to having a ring slipped through their noses, like barnyard animals. They are a peculiar species known as Democratus Subservientis. None of them understand the bill…that’s the problem. Of course, those in Washington know that a large segment of the population willingly acquiesces to having a ring slipped through their noses, like barnyard animals. They are a peculiar species known as Democratus Subservientis.

]]> By: Timothy Pancoast http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19801 Timothy Pancoast Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:41:31 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19801 The first time I went there I was a little supprized, but the people over at Delaware Liberal do not like Senator Carper. It makes me wonder why he keeps getting elected. The first time I went there I was a little supprized, but the people over at Delaware Liberal do not like Senator Carper. It makes me wonder why he keeps getting elected.

]]> By: Tennessee Walker http://www.delawarepolitics.net/carper-won%e2%80%99t-read-text-of-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-19800 Tennessee Walker Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:39:10 +0000 http://www.delawarepolitics.net/?p=6546#comment-19800 Ok is there a full moon or something going on??? I find myself in agreement with Perry and noman. On top of that Perry's Peter Principle analogy is really apt. I don't think the Peter Principle ends with Carper. Ok is there a full moon or something going on??? I find myself in agreement with Perry and noman. On top of that Perry’s Peter Principle analogy is really apt. I don’t think the Peter Principle ends with Carper.

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