A Little Constitution Goes a Long Way

Today’s blogpost is courtesy of National Archive which provided the transcript. All credit goes to The Founding Fathers (listed at the end) and though some will disagree with me, our Creator. Happy Constitution Day!   “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Article. I. Section. 1. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives. Section. 2. The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature. No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen. Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three. When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies. The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. Section. 3. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote. Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies. No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen. The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided. The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States. The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. Section. 4. The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day. Section. 5. Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide. Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member. Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal. Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting. Section. 6. The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place. No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office. Section. 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law. Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill. Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; To establish Post Offices and post Roads; To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court; To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. Section. 9. The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person. The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken. No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another. No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time. No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. Section. 10. No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress. No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay. Article. II. Section. 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President. The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States. No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected. The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them. Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Section. 2. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session. Section. 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States. Section. 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. Article III. Section. 1. The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office. Section. 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed. Section. 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted. Article. IV. Section. 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof. Section. 2. The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime. No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due. Section. 3. New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State. Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence. Article. V. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate. Article. VI. All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. Article. VII. The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same. The Word, “the,” being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, The Word “Thirty” being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words “is tried” being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word “the” being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page. Attest William Jackson Secretary done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, G°. Washington Presidt and deputy from Virginia Delaware Geo: Read Gunning Bedford jun John Dickinson Richard Bassett Jaco: Broom Maryland James McHenry Dan of St Thos. Jenifer Danl. Carroll Virginia John Blair James Madison Jr. North Carolina Wm. Blount Richd. Dobbs Spaight Hu Williamson South Carolina J. Rutledge Charles Cotesworth Pinckney Charles Pinckney Pierce Butler Georgia William Few Abr Baldwin New Hampshire John Langdon Nicholas Gilman Massachusetts Nathaniel Gorham Rufus King Connecticut Wm. Saml. Johnson Roger Sherman New York Alexander Hamilton New Jersey Wil: Livingston David Brearley Wm. Paterson Jona: Dayton Pensylvania B Franklin Thomas Mifflin Robt. Morris Geo. Clymer Thos. FitzSimons Jared Ingersoll James Wilson Gouv Morris

19 thoughts on “A Little Constitution Goes a Long Way”

  1. “and though some will disagree with me, our Creator”

    I don’t see how anyone would disagree with you, since the reference to “their Creator” is neutral as to any religious belief or lack thereof. What the God-botherers don’t understand is that, to an atheist, the passage “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights” means that human rights are a natural consequence of the human condition and intellect, having been created by the Universe as a sentient being.

    The term in context does not expressly refer to any deity, but the religious-minded insist on reading that into the passage to suit their belief.

  2. Nitpicker September 17, 2014 at 05:15 “since the reference to “their Creator” is neutral as to any religious belief ”

    Those suffering from Godphobia, who are paranoid about any mention of God, are the ones trying to claim that an acknowledgement of God is the same as endorsing a particular religion over another.

    It is those whose feet are firmly planted on the ground who are saying that is nonsense, that an acknowledgement and honoring of God does not push or endorse one religion over another.

    HOWEVER, what does it mean when the Constitution is signed and DATED by reference to

    “THE YEAR Of OUR LORD”

    Who is LORD?

    By WHICH “LORD ” can we DATE the Constitution at September 17, 1787?

    Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth….

    There is only ONE “LORD” by whom we can date the Constitution to the “Year of our Lord” 1787.

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    “the reference to “their Creator” is neutral as to any religious belief…

    …or lack thereof”

    That’s just silly. The Constitution is clearly NOT neutral as to religious belief.

    Godphobes have difficulty with a central concept:

    WE all believe in God, but we are not going to force you to.

    That is the heart of our Constitution.

    But Godphobes want to change that to say “NONE of us express any opinion about God.”

    No, our nation is founded on the principle that the majority believes in God, but not in forcing you to believe.

  3. See, a belief in God and acting on that belief should be based on a person being persuaded.

    Romans 14:5 “Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. ”

    But part of that persuasion — searching for the truth and being fully convinced in one’s own mind —

    can include the fact that the most intelligent, important, and successful people in history all agree that Jesus Christ is Lord.

    While one must be fully persuaded after their own individual search for truth, knowing that most of the most highly-educated, intelligent, and successful people in history believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord (king and master), Creator, and Savior may cause one to have an open mind and to inquire further.

    for that very reason, Godphobes desperately want to persuade people that only kooks believe in a real God who actually came to the Earth and died on the cross voluntarily in our place to redeem us from sin and from hell and to reconcile us to Himself.

    By keeping people from honestly learning about Christianity, Godphobes hope to prevent people from discovering more about Christianity.

    So while Christianity means absolutely nothing if a person does not embrace it VOLUNTARILY and “for real” from his or her own heart, the fact that nearly everyone who founded our nation was a committed Christian may be informative to those who are searching for the truth.

    There is a difference between you don’t have a right to disagree compared with have I got your attention — are you listening?

  4. I wonder if proponents of Common Core (for the commoners and peasants) would support having students memorize the Constitution and the Declaration. Because arguably, after they’re taught to read and write, that’s basically all they need to know to pursue their own interests. Perhaps they could also be taught about what money is, mortgages, math and the currency so that they could look out for their own interests also. Rambling

  5. “There is only ONE “LORD” by whom we can date the Constitution to the “Year of our Lord” 1787.”

    And by “we”, you certainly don’t mean Jews.

    Last time I checked, most Jews do not recognize any “Lord” from that date.

    But, sure, every document that ever expressed a date as “A.D.” (Anno Domini or, in English, Year of Our Lord) is obviously intended to convey a Christian point of view in the use of a common clerical expression.

    This is why, for example, the First Amendment and the First Commandment say exactly the same thing.

  6. And, of course, if use of “Year of Our Lord” was intended to convey a substantive meaning, other than as the classic way of expressing the year according to the Gregorian calendar, then it also means that the US is a Roman Catholic nation, because if you are counting years back to zero, then you have to take into account the establishment of the Western Calendar by Pope Gregory.

  7. “for that very reason, Godphobes desperately want to persuade people that only kooks believe in a real God who actually came to the Earth and died on the cross voluntarily in our place to redeem us from sin and from hell and to reconcile us to Himself.”

    So, I was correct. Jews are now “Godphobes” as far as you are concerned.

  8. “the most intelligent, important, and successful people in history all agree that Jesus Christ is Lord.”

    Sure, if you exclude nobodies like Aristotle, Archimedes, Pythagorus, Euclid, Alexander the Great, Hammurabi, Julius Caesar, all the emperors of China, Einstein, and all Jews, just to list a few unintelligent, unimportant and unsuccessful people in history.

  9. Nitpicker September 17, 2014 at 12:54 ““There is only ONE “LORD” by whom we can date the Constitution to the “Year of our Lord” 1787.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    And by “we”, you certainly don’t mean Jews.”

    All the Christians who founded the Christian Church were Jews.

    Guess you didn’t know that. Oh, well.

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    Nitpicker September 17, 2014 at 12:54 “”But, sure, every document that ever expressed a date as “A.D.” (Anno Domini or, in English, Year of Our Lord) is obviously intended to convey a Christian point of view in the use of a common clerical expression. ”

    The writers of the Constitution did not write “A.D.” but went out of their way to spell out “OUR LORD” in the U.S. Constitution.

    The only person by whom you can date the signing of the Constitution as 1787 years later is Jesus Christ.

    The drafters could have been low key about it by saying “A.D.”

    But notice that what you are really saying is how widespread and well-established that Jesus Christ is Lord and how the majority believed then, as they do now, in Christianity.

  10. Nitpicker September 17, 2014 at 15:02 “And, of course, if use of “Year of Our Lord” was intended to convey a substantive meaning, other than as the classic way of expressing the year according to the Gregorian calendar, …”

    And HOW DID IT GET TO BE the classic way of expressing the year?

    Hmmm.. I wonder… Gee and gosh golly HOW did that happen?

    Because everyone among the founders and anyone of any significance and all intellectual leaders were all Christians who believed that Jesus Christ is Lord and Christianity is the only true religion.

    You don’t have to believe that.

    But everyone of any importance in history (at least since Jesus was born) has professed the belief that Jesus Christ is Lord (God, king, your master, your owner), Creator and Savior.

    So you don’t have to believe in any particular religion.

    But you have to confront the fact that you are in the minority and much smarter people than you all believe that God came down from heaven and took the form of a man, preached, died on a cross to pay for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the grave.

    Once again ,HOW did it become the dominant way of describing the year to declare it “THE YEAR Of OUR LORD?”

    Total coincidence I’m sure.

  11. Nitpicker September 17, 2014 at 15:05 ““for that very reason, Godphobes desperately want to persuade people that only kooks believe in a real God who actually came to the Earth and died on the cross voluntarily in our place to redeem us from sin and from hell and to reconcile us to Himself.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    So, I was correct. Jews are now “Godphobes” as far as you are concerned.
    ================================

    We don’t see Jews smearing Christians. We see liberal, spoiled, children of White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant parents, which children are trying to be trendy and are acting out their bitterness and continuing, unresolved anger with their parents trying to tear down Christianity.

    Many Jews are Christians. Many are not.

    But those trying to portray believers in Jesus as kooks are mostly spoiled children of Christian parents, acting out their unresolved issues with their parents.

  12. God bless our Constitution which will continue to preserve our right to have discussions like this as long as we adhere to it.

  13. “And HOW DID IT GET TO BE the classic way of expressing the year?”

    By Papal decree, Jon. The Catholic Church was in charge of the only international European body at that time, long before Protestants didn’t feel bound by Papal decrees. That’s why we call the calendar the “Gregorian Calendar”. For bonus ignorance, I’m willing to bet you haven’t the foggiest notion of what calendar was in common use before Pope Gregory, who established it, or why it was replaced. (hint: it had nothing to do with Christians)

    By the way, the current Jewish year is 5774, and if you go to Israel, you’ll find that out right quick.

    “All the Christians who founded the Christian Church were Jews.”

    Thus losing the point, Jon. Jews do not refer to Jesus as “Our Lord” and go try explaining “Christian Jews” to one who is not. Only among certain species of Protestants is “Messianic Judaism” a thing.

  14. Nitpicker September 17, 2014 at 18:20 ““And HOW DID IT GET TO BE the classic way of expressing the year?””
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    By Papal decree, Jon.”
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    Did the Pope control the Constitutional Convention in 1787 in Philadelphia?

    Sentiment in the American Colonies was mostly VERY hostile to Catholics, perceived to be the same or worse than the oppression of the Church of England — which the USA was founded to establish independence from.

    So in spite of the traditions in the Colonies of rejecting Catholic domination at the time — note that the Catholic Church reformed as much as the Protestant Churches after the Reformation — the founders went out of their way to date the Constitution in reference to the birth of Jesus Christ.

    NOTE how the founders dated the Constitution 2 different ways:
    (1) according to the birth of OUR LORD Jesus Christ
    (2) according to the years since the Declaration of Independence.

    If there were any hesitation or doubt about declaring that the founders of our country were declaring Jesus Christ as LORD (King, master, owner, Creator) they could have simply dated the Constitution according to the years since the founding of the country, which they also included.

    Also, the discussion muddles the reality.

    When we talk about “the Catholic Church” prior to the Reformation, this is misleading.

    There wasn’t any Catholic Church in that sense prior to the Reformation…

    there was only Christendom throughout Europe.

    The existence of a Catholic Church as a distinct entity was created only in contrast to the Protestant Churches which separated from the remnant.

    The “Catholic Church” is only that part of Christendom that did not break away and become Protestant.

    So prior to the Reformation, there was simply all of Christendom.

    The fact that the entire civilized and developed world AGREES that Jesus Christ is LORD does not help your attempt to run away from it.

  15. Nitpicker September 17, 2014 at 12:54 “And by “we”, you certainly don’t mean Jews. Last time I checked, most Jews do not recognize any “Lord” from that date. ”

    Neither do atheists. Which of course is 1,00% totally irrelevant.

    The founders of our nation who wrote the US Constitution DID recognize Jesus Christ as Lord.

    Which IS the point.

    At the time they wrote those words, there were some living in the USA who did NOT share that religious belief, as there are some today.

    But those who wrote the US Constitution, those who founded our nation, and the vast majority of US citizens at every point in our nation’s existence all believe and agree that Jesus Christ is Lord.

    Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of some who might feel differently.

  16. So what we have definitively established is —

    that the founders of our country and writers of our US Constitution

    were Christians who believed in the actual divinity and Lordship of Jesus Christ….

    … because people who have other religious beliefs do not refer to Jesus Christ as LORD.

    Ergo, those who signed the US Constitution were Christians who believed that Jesus Christ is our LORD.

    Moreover, if there was a diversity of opinions among the founders, it was not so significant as to create any hesitation whatsoever in phrasing the US Constitution that way.

    If anyone had raised any objection, they could have at least toned it down to “A.D.”

    And yet no one did.

    So you have helped us clarify that those who founded the United States of America and created its Constitution were overwhelmingly or entirely Christians who believed that Jesus Christ is God and our King (LORD).

  17. “Did the Pope control the Constitutional Convention in 1787 in Philadelphia? ”

    Jon, your density is outstandingly impressive. There are many calendrical systems, and quite a few in currency during the middle ages. The Gregorian calendar was established by decree of Pope Gregory, and dates according to it were distinguished by the notation A.D. meaning Anno Domini. These sorts of things were indeed imposed by force against those who would use other calendrical systems, such as Jewish or Islamic calendars, notably in places like Spain where Muslims and Jews were lovingly given the option of “convert or die”.

    If you are claiming that the utter absence of the Christian God – of which the term “Creator” is not singularly indicative – from the document but for a clerical reference to the date is some sort of a declaration of faith, then you have to deal with the fact that you are looking at a document that puts “We the People” first, and God dead last.

  18. You can debate till the sun goes down whether this is a Christian nation or not, and whether the majority of our Founders were Christian, or if they based the foundation of this nation on Judeo-Christian principles. Never mind you’ve already done that, and probably on more than one occasion.

    At any rate what I will say is that the Judeo-Christian ethic was a major presence in this nation when the founders wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. It informed many of their actions, words, and choices. Moreover, they were honest about it, and agree or disagree, they felt no need to hide from or dismiss the culture, religion, and values that were dominant in their day. The founders that did believe in a God, and even some of the ones that weren’t sure were determined to call on that God’s help to make this country succeed. They didn’t shelve their belief when they walked through the doors, nor did they compel their fellow delegates to shelve theirs. A few Christian based conventions such as exempting Sundays and the use of the “Year of Our Lord” scattered through out the Constitution did not deter the agnostic delegates to the Convention from signing the document. Though I am concerned that if the Convention took place in today’s political environment they would have.

  19. The Founders were Christians, and to deny that fact is ridiculous. American society in general was Christian.

    In the US Constitution, only one clause restricts the power of the government, and that would be Article I., Section 8;

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

    To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

    To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

    To establish post offices and post roads;

    To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

    To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

    To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

    To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

    To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

    To provide and maintain a navy;

    To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

    To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;–And

    To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

    Anything else, such as a Department of Labor, should have required a Constitutional Amendment. Instead, we have an omnipotent, unregulated government with the power to do anything.

    Before the Constitution was ratified, Madison was afraid that the “General Welfare and Common Defense” clause incorporatede into Section 8 would be interpreted by the people as giving Congress unlimited power. He attempted to assuage these fears in “Federalist 41″…

    Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction.

    Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of descents, or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms “to raise money for the general welfare.”

    But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? If the different parts of the same instrument ought to be so expounded, as to give meaning to every part which will bear it, shall one part of the same sentence be excluded altogether from a share in the meaning; and shall the more doubtful and indefinite terms be retained in their full extent, and the clear and precise expressions be denied any signification whatsoever? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars. But the idea of an enumeration of particulars which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning, and can have no other effect than to confound and mislead, is an absurdity, which, as we are reduced to the dilemma of charging either on the authors of the objection or on the authors of the Constitution, we must take the liberty of supposing, had not its origin with the latter.

    The objection here is the more extraordinary, as it appears that the language used by the convention is a copy from the articles of Confederation. The objects of the Union among the States, as described in article third, are “their common defense, security of their liberties, and mutual and general welfare.” The terms of article eighth are still more identical: “All charges of war and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defense or general welfare, and allowed by the United States in Congress, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury,” etc. A similar language again occurs in article ninth. Construe either of these articles by the rules which would justify the construction put on the new Constitution, and they vest in the existing Congress a power to legislate in all cases whatsoever. But what would have been thought of that assembly, if, attaching themselves to these general expressions, and disregarding the specifications which ascertain and limit their import, they had exercised an unlimited power of providing for the common defense and general welfare? I appeal to the objectors themselves, whether they would in that case have employed the same reasoning in justification of Congress as they now make use of against the convention. How difficult it is for error to escape its own condemnation!

    PUBLIUS

    Too bad that our genius “liberal” lawmakers and jurists knew more about the Founders’ “intent” than the Founders themselves; and now the people are stuck with their idiotic laws and regulations, and their crushing debt.

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